Who Created Harappan / Indus Valley Civilisation? | How Did It End? | Samvaad With Devdutt Pattanaik

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

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We NEED to teach Pakistani youngsters ANYWHERE in the world about the Indus Valley, Mehanjandaro and Harrappan civilisations.

 

[RescueRanger]

Sir you are 100% making this up!

Pakistan has the HIGHER ABSOLUTE land area of IVC sites (a whopping 100,000sq km more). Apart from absolute terms, in terms of percentage of national land area, there is simply no contest. Sod off to your gangetic civilisation and leave IVC to its true masters.

We have discussed Bhiranna and Mehrgahr at length. Even if you refuse to accept it as IVC proper and regard it as a precursor instead, then this still means Pakistanis are your fathers, despite your protests. So, I don't understand how your point is supposed to initiate any sort of academic debate regarding the origins of the IVC. This civilisation arose in the fertile crescent of the middle east and exported its genome, farming techniques, and urban planning to the wonderment of AASI folk, who were rather simple and rode elephants and howled at the moon and carved pornography into their temples. Mercifully the export was over land, not via any contested Strait.

Archaeologists very much do regard Mehrgahr as a precursor site and this is very important to acknowledge, rather than brushing it under the carpet as is your want. I am certain that if Mehrgahr was located in the wild forests of Nagaland that you would be larping about it for a month without sleeping!

"According to Lukacs and Hemphill, while there is a strong continuity between the neolithic and chalcolithic (copper Age) cultures of Mehrgarh, dental evidence shows that the chalcolithic population did not descend from the neolithic population of Mehrgarh, which "suggests moderate levels of gene flow." They further noted that "the direct lineal descendents of the Neolithic inhabitants of Mehrgarh are to be found to the south and the east of Mehrgarh, in northwestern India and the western edge of the Deccan plateau," "

To reiterate what archaeologists have actually said: there is evidence of DIRECT LINEAL DESCENDANTS from Mehrgahr found to the east in Hindustan.

Again, would you like to repeat some sordid claim of reverse evolution?

Look at the buildings of Mehrgahr:

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This was prior to the buildings observed in Mohenjo-Daro and Harappa but deploys the same grid based, lattice like architecture.

Would you like a more medical anf agricultural angle?

"Gallego Romero et al. (2011) further state that their research on lactose tolerance in India suggests that "the west Eurasian genetic contribution identified by Reich et al. (2009) principally reflects gene flow from Iran and the Middle East." Gallego Romero notes that Indians who are lactose-tolerant show a genetic pattern regarding this tolerance which is "characteristic of the common European mutation." According to Romero, this suggests that "the most common lactose tolerance mutation made a two-way migration out of the Middle East less than 10,000 years ago. While the mutation spread across Europe, another explorer must have brought the mutation eastward to India – likely traveling along the coast of the Persian Gulf where other pockets of the same mutation have been found." They further note that "[t]he earliest evidence of cattle herding in south Asia comes from the Indus River Valley site of Mehrgarh and is dated to 7,000 YBP." "

So you see, this animal that makes you belch and fahrt does exactly the same to European populations because of a bidirectional migration of genomic material East and West from a middle eastern origin point.

You have derailed the thread with your ramblings about mughals and marathas and ashoka for long enough. But suffice to say, what you dismiss as "blabber" clearly shatters the fragile illusion you have crafted in your mind of Ashoka being a magnanimous and virtuous individual, worthy of modern reverence and representation on flags and coinage no less! Objectivity matters and the same objective researchers who would declare Mehrgahr to be a key nidus for fertile crescentic civilisational expansion eastwards would also reason that Ashoka was a very cruel man, who reflected the murderous tyranny of the empires of his time. No criticism from me for his behaviour whatsoever! He is part of the heritage of this region, just like everyone else is. He slaughtered many of your dharmic fathers and mothers. So what? Should we remove him from our history syllabi because of that?

Great post, thank you for taking the time to compile this.

 

[Ali_Baba]

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Are these Indus, or another culture(It feels Buddhist to me from the styling - just a feeling that is all)? They are beautiful!

 

[Master Chief]

Are these Indus, or another culture(It feels Buddhist to me from the styling - just a feeling that is all)? They are beautiful!

Agree. Looks post-Harappan by some way. Would be interesting if @Distant_Observer or any members have any follow up on the precise dating of these treasures.

 

[panzerfaust 3]

I think - purely speculative - he meant a rabid rabbit.

Where are you ? people need a smack on the back head here

 

[FarhanSiddiqui]

We salute the our ancient people who created Indus Valley Civilization. Now everyone claim this civilization as their own. Success has many fathers and failure is an orphan. Nonetheless the people now living in its historical boundaries are the true inheritors of this civilization.

 

[hussain0216]

We salute the our ancient people who created Indus Valley Civilization. Now everyone claim this civilization as their own. Success has many fathers and failure is an orphan. Nonetheless the people now living in its historical boundaries are the true inheritors of this civilization.

Absolutely

The history of our land is still ours

We don't have do be idol worshipping pagans to take ownership of our history

Its like saying Italians don't own Roman history because they are Christians or modern day greeks or Egyptians don't own their history because they don't believe in Zeus or Ra


The Indus valley civilization was present in almost all of Pakistan, if anything this civilisation extended slightly over today's borders into what is now India, even most sites in India are relatively close to our borders



The indians are a delusional group of people and the more we can distance ourselves from them the better

 

[arshu]

Who created which civilization, does not matter now.
Only thing matters which civilization you followed .
Some chose idol worshiping same as their ancestors(hindus ).
Some chose /got converted to a foreign culture (arab), some indigenous like late budhishm/Sikhism.
Hindus are called inheritor because the culture Hindus followed, is indigenous to land .

 

[hussain0216]

Who created which civilization, does not matter now.
Only thing matters which civilization you followed .
Some chose idol worshiping same as their ancestors(hindus ).
Some chose /got converted to a foreign culture (arab), some indigenous like late budhishm/Sikhism.
Hindus are called inheritor because the culture Hindus followed, is indigenous to land .

Your not even connected to our land or people

The people of the indus valley civilization are NOT YOUR PEOPLE

Whilst most of Pakistans provinces have a connection with the indus valley civilization, India does not and 99% of Indians are completely foreign to it


The people of the indus valley were not Hindus, they had a distinct civilization



Your like a African living in the jungle In a hut claiming the Pyramids and Egyptian civilisation, because your both African and you still believe in animal Gods like a retard

 

[panzerfaust 3]

We salute the our ancient people who created Indus Valley Civilization. Now everyone claim this civilization as their own. Success has many fathers and failure is an orphan. Nonetheless the people now living in its historical boundaries are the true inheritors of this civilization.

At least you are honouring your ancestors which you chose to purposefully forsake all of these years especially after partition

 

[hussain0216]

At least you are honouring your ancestors which you chose to purposefully forsake all of these years especially after partition

Our people have never changed

We just hate kala Hindus from the east and we resent them trying to connect to our history and people

 

[hydrabadi_arab]

Ancient Pakistanis created it, duh. Now before some say south Indians or ganges. Remember South India and Ganges didn't even have any sign of bronze age civilization. They went from stone ages to iron ages directly. The iron age to ganges/south india was brought by central asian aryan invaders.

 

[panzerfaust 3]

Our people have never changed

We just hate kala Hindus from the east and we resent them trying to connect to our history and people

But we just love you ,angrej looking gora chitaa chikna pakis
We absolutely adore you ,you are the living embodiment of beauty and perfection on the earth

We are just kala hindutava al-kafir al-honolulu

 

[hussain0216]

But we just love you ,angrej looking gora chitaa chikna pakis
We absolutely adore you ,you are the living embodiment of beauty and perfection on the earth

We are just kala hindutava al-kafir al-honolulu

Yeah we know, now fcuk off

 

[panzerfaust 3]

Yeah we know, now fcuk off

No ,I can't belive you actually bought it
What an absolute bafoon
You have never answered my question - bhaijaan apne padai kaha tak ki h?