Why Secularism will Worsen Pakistan’s security situation

[Sharma Ji]

Quran is fixed, unless there is other verse who replace it

It is not Hindu religion with so many diversion.

"Hindu" is not a religion

Dharma has no "rules" as you Abrahamists understand it

 

[Joe Shearer]

No golden age is being sought... only an attempt to alleviate those tangled in the current morass and seek to find a path out knowing the pitfalls is sought.

The rest is on the reader... besides there are more detractors than takers...

I accept your response at face value. If that is how you see your post, there is not much to dispute.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Quran is fixed, unless there is other verse who replace it

It is not Hindu religion with so many diversion.

That is misleading. It is too deep to explain in an online forum, but to put it mildly, this is reductive.

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

I accept your response at face value. If that is how you see your post, there is not much to dispute.

It becomes a whole exercise in vanity. If I can't compel anyone to reflect... many quit just for the effort...
no perfection here... a different perspective, Yes!

 

[vasanthm]

The vast majority. You can ask any expat or person living in KSA and they will tell you the same thing.

You have been "hanging out" with 1-2 (let us say 5 for the sake of it) young students abroad in the West and somehow they are now reflective and not the actual status quo and ground reality on the ground (in KSA)?

There are Muslims in the West (of every single background) that party and do what you are alluding to. From my experience (I have travelled and lived across several European states), Saudi Arabians (Yemenis as well) are those that do it the least compared to everyone else. Together with Egyptians. Don't get me started on Iranians, Turks, Pakistanis etc. Most of your women in the West don't even wear hijab from my experience. They dress like Indians in the West. The Afghans in the West are mostly degenerates from my experience as well and heavily involved in the drug scene. A lot of "Christian" Afghans as well. Same thing with Kurds.

People, when given a choice, prefer to live on their own terms rather than being dictated by religious dogma. It's about time the grip of religious zealots over society is broken and tossed aside.

 

[Joe Shearer]

It becomes a whole exercise in vanity. If I can't compel anyone to reflect... many quit just for the effort...
no perfection here... a different perspective, Yes!

Oh no, you are being unkind to yourself. Your post does cause reflection, but it is an asymmetric reflection. Those who belong to the Muslim-majority regions that lay to the west and to a deep pocket in the east of the old British Indian Empire, the Raj, are likely to find much to chew over and much clarification in your socio-historical sketch.

To that extent, it is sound.

Now we can leave it at that, or broaden the scope. Broadening the scope has the weakness of introducing social factors that Muslims in a Muslim-majority country really might never have to face. So this - your post - encouraging reflection, offering a distinctly etched perspective - is a good place to stop.

If you choose to ask the faintly convinced and faintly sceptical about their views, or their reservations to your analysis, this discussion will segue into something very different.

 

[Rainy]

I heydays on PTI rise in last decade it was often said that traditional politicians have failed to deliver so why not try a new politician, same logic shoukd be available here as religious pakistan has fail to work, why not give a secularism a try?.

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

People, when given a choice, prefer to live on their own terms rather than being dictated by religious dogma. It's about time the grip of religious zealots over society is broken and tossed aside.

Are "own terms" subject to the setting?
Or, an Amish going through a Rumspringa?

 

[M. Sarmad]

Quran is fixed, unless there is other verse who replace it

It is not Hindu religion with so many diversion.

The very notion of "replaced Quranic verses" is itself contentious, as scholarly opinion remains divided on whether a Quranic verse can be abrogated or replaced by another verse or the Sunnah. Estimates of the supposed number of abrogated verses range anywhere from 5 to 500, depending on who you ask.


I, for one, see the doctrine of abrogation as a later scholarly contrivance — a convenient patchwork to reconcile parochial interpretations of verses that clashed with the prevailing worldview of certain jurists. This view finds weight in the fact that not a single verse in the Quran explicitly declares another verse abrogated or replaced. Moreover, the continued presence of so-called abrogated verses within the Quran's text fundamentally undermines the very concept of its absolute and eternal validity.