Yemen Civil War News and Discussion.. an evolving situation

[prothought]

Irani mullahs are now courting Afghan Taliban to become Iran's proxy. Surprisingly Al-Qaida is the middle link.

 

[The SC]

British Typhoon fighters prepare to protect Saudi airspace from missiles and drones

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

You should be ashamed of yourself for what you have offered as an evidence. There is tons of such 'evidence' exists on both sides declaring each other kafir in the past.

This is what happens in interacting with a complete numb nut!
Unlike the rule in Iran Vilayat e Faqih... the rule in Saudi is split between religious and secular. For example Salman bin Abadal Aziz is Vali Al'amr but not authority on religion. For that, they used Wahabism, however officially distancing themselves into mainstream Hanbali school. However the Ikhwan and Sahwa were the main vectors. Running ideology... which has been shifting secular officially.

Saudi Arabia's Not So New Anti-Shi`ism - MERIP

Enmity for the Shi‘a in Saudi Arabia, never entirely absent, has become increasingly strident in 2006 and early 2007. The empowerment of the Iraqi Shi‘a and the bloody escalation of Sunni-Shi‘i violence in Iraq have intensified sectarian animosity around the Middle East, but in Saudi Arabia the...

www.merip.org

The one that I quoted you are theological underpinnings of state enterprise by providing religious cover. Madkhalism has been used to push through a branch of salafism primarily pushed in western countries. For compliance...
The takfir he did would be mainstream in that theology.

Now for Iran the Supreme leader himself runs both religious and political affairs...
And they have no such tradition of doing takfir on Ahl-Sunnah.
Capisce‽

I am asking you to provide evidence for any Saudi official/minister called Iranis Kafir or a Saudi state policy that declared Irani mullahs kafir?

read above...

For officially nominated position holders doing rudimentary takfir... you can do your own research.

“They Are Not Our Brothers”

This report documents that Saudi Arabia has permitted government-appointed religious scholars and clerics to refer to religious minorities in derogatory terms or demonize them in official documents and religious rulings that influence government decision-making. In recent years, government...

www.hrw.org

But since they're party to Amman Message...
They officially will not declare them as non Muslims...

Signing Up for Moderation: Endorsing the Amman Message

Permalink Signing Up for Moderation: Endorsing the Amman Message By Yahya Birt Posted on Tue Mar 27, 2007 at 08:57:00 AM EST Back in 2004, […]

ammanmessage.com

Though Sheikh Ibn Baz did it before as a Saudi official.

 

[clutch]

 

[battalion25]

no wonder why the houthis have been bleeding alot on the frontlines

 

[prothought]

This is what happens in interacting with a complete numb nut!
Unlike the rule in Iran Vilayat e Faqih... the rule in Saudi is split between religious and secular. For example Salman bin Abadal Aziz is Vali Al'amr but not authority on religion. For that, they used Wahabism, however officially distancing themselves into mainstream Hanbali school. However the Ikhwan and Sahwa were the main vectors. Running ideology... which has been shifting secular officially.

Saudi Arabia's Not So New Anti-Shi`ism - MERIP

Enmity for the Shi‘a in Saudi Arabia, never entirely absent, has become increasingly strident in 2006 and early 2007. The empowerment of the Iraqi Shi‘a and the bloody escalation of Sunni-Shi‘i violence in Iraq have intensified sectarian animosity around the Middle East, but in Saudi Arabia the...

www.merip.org

The one that I quoted you are theological underpinnings of state enterprise by providing religious cover. Madkhalism has been used to push through a branch of salafism primarily pushed in western countries. For compliance...
The takfir he did would be mainstream in that theology.

Now for Iran the Supreme leader himself runs both religious and political affairs...
And they have no such tradition of doing takfir on Ahl-Sunnah.
Capisce‽



read above...

For officially nominated position holders doing rudimentary takfir... you can do your own research.

“They Are Not Our Brothers”

This report documents that Saudi Arabia has permitted government-appointed religious scholars and clerics to refer to religious minorities in derogatory terms or demonize them in official documents and religious rulings that influence government decision-making. In recent years, government...

www.hrw.org

But since they're party to Amman Message...
They officially will not declare them as non Muslims...

Signing Up for Moderation: Endorsing the Amman Message

Permalink Signing Up for Moderation: Endorsing the Amman Message By Yahya Birt Posted on Tue Mar 27, 2007 at 08:57:00 AM EST Back in 2004, […]

ammanmessage.com

Though Sheikh Ibn Baz did it before as a Saudi official.

You ignorance is proving to be a curse for you. The whole world knows that al-i-Sheikh (that a crackhead idiot would call it Wahabism) holds only the Qadha (ministry of justice?) in Saudi Arabia while Al-i-Saud runs the country (administration, ministries, foreign policy, etc.) Even most of the imams in Haramain-Sharifain are not from al-i-Sheikh. You are offering an article published on some personal website as an evidence that Saudi government considers Iranian Shias as kafir. You need to see a highly qualified mental doctor, dude.

BTW, Saudi government allows/welcomes Irani Shia haj pilgrims. Can they allow kuffar to perform haj at any cost? Ponder on this if you have a bit of working brain.

 

[prothought]

One thing is getting quite clear now. Whatever the evil is done by shaitan Irani mullahs, their poodles start blaming their opponents of doing exactly that evil. It seems to a deliberate cover up attempt on their part. For example, Irani mullahs cooperated and collaborated with Americans to topple Sunni governments in the region (e.g. Saddam's government in Iraq and Taliban regime in Afghanistan), while their poodles keep blaming Arabs of cooperating with the same America.

Irani mullahs have deep links with Al-Qaida for decades now. Iran has been providing shelter to the leadership of that terrorist takfiri group. And yet, the Irani lackies shamelessly keep blaming Arabs states of harboring terrorist groups. They also keep baselessly and shamelessly calling Saudi government being takfiri.

Irani mullahs have no shame in cooperating with their sworn enemies, Zionists, either when and where it benefits them. And yet their poodles keep baselessly blaming Arab states of doing that same exact thing.

As the Chinese are reportedly finding it now that Iranians lied with them because they (i.e. Iranians) consider lying with non-Muslims permissible, it seems Irani mullahs do the same thing with the rest of the world.

 

[Oscar]

Irani mullahs are now courting Afghan Taliban to become Iran's proxy. Surprisingly Al-Qaida is the middle link.

This isnt new - the IRGC has had links with Kandahar for over a decade now including AQ and TTA groups - however they are at loggerheads with ISKP.

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

You are offering an article published on some personal website

I shared Middle East Research and Information project, Human Rights watch and the page of Amman Message which has 84 countries as signatories. Affirming to not do takfir on certain minority groups including Shi'i.

It would have been better if you hadn't replied at all... better return to the hole you came out of now...

 

[battalion25]

 

[mythbuster]

Everyone hold their horses and hope for sanity to prevail.... FM Munir visit to Tehran has laid bare the consequences of Iranian intransigence to the Iranian authorities.... rhetorics aside , Iranian understand it very well now and there's a hope something positive is in the offing.... Israeli are not very pleased with the latest developments.

 

[battalion25]

Kholan Al-Tayyal tribes expel today a Houthi mediation from the heart of Juhana and reject the formation of a committee by the Houthi militias and call upon their sons to swiftly withdraw immediately from all fronts and return to their tribes and prepare for the battle of vengeance for their treacherously slain sheikhs



This tribes surround sanaa and can just walk into it without any resistance

 

[I*R*A]

That’s a fallacy, the differences & later on the feud among sahaba did not require any intervention or instigation by the Persians.

There never was a dispute or any difference amongst Sahaba . The Quran is very clear about Sahaba.

"And He brought together their hearts. If you had spent all that is in the earth, you could not have brought their hearts together; but Allah brought them together."(8:63)

"You are the best community ever raised for humanity—you encourage good, forbid evil, and believe in Allah. ....."(3:110)

Anyone who believes otherwise is going against Quran. It is the word of Abdullah ibn Saba or Quran.

The reason Yazeed did not attack Imam Hussain as in Makkah is because Imam Hussain chose not make the Kaaba a shield for Himself & moved out of Makkah deliberately to preserve the sanctity of Makkah.

Either Hussain was alone and victim or he had the authority and say. Why would Yazeed care for Hussain to move out of Makkah and then wait till he reached Karbala?

Did the Hashemite women married into Umayyads divorced their husbands after Karbala?

• Nafisah bint Zaid (descendants of Hassan ibn Ali) married the Umayyad caliph Al-Walid ibn Abd al-Malik.
• Umm al-Qasim bint al-Hasan (granddaughter of Hassan ibn Ali) married Marwan ibn Aban ibn Uthman.
• Ramlah bint Ali (daughter of Ali ibn Abi Talib) married Muawiya ibn Marwan.
• Khadijah bint Ali (daughter of Ali ibn Abi Talib) married Ubaydullah ibn Kurayz (from the Banu Umayyah lineage). [1]

Imam Hussain had multiple wives & among them was lady Shaharbano was one among them.

How old was she / Shaharbanu? Keep in mind she was supposedly daughter of this guy

"Yazdegerd III, the last Sasanian King of Kings of Iran, was between 27 and 28 years old at the time of his final defeat and death in 651 CE."
She is also reported to be mother of the fourth Shia Imam, Ali ibn Husayn (Zayn al-Abidin)

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Yemenis historically have remained client state of persia, protecting their interests, nothing new here. The reason you read traditions glorifying yemenis and cursing death upon arabs.

 

[I*R*A]

Find another thread to disprove the tragedy of Karbala and satiate ur salafist tendencies.

Hahahahaa ... even though I do not subscribe to any labels or sects other than being called Muslim, but given you have this Pakistani urge to call me something other than Muslim, the correct Pakistani label for me is "Quranist".

 

[I*R*A]

I'm sure you've noticed by now that some Persians in this thread—including individuals whose ties to Iran are questionable—seem far more interested in pushing a pro-Iranian narrative than engaging honestly with evidence. The moment their claims are challenged, they shift the goalposts, contradict themselves, and manufacture convenient “facts” to prop up an argument that cannot withstand scrutiny. Baseless talking points are repeated ad nauseam, as though sheer repetition could somehow turn fiction into fact.

Meanwhile, the situation on the ground is deteriorating rapidly for their side. Their favorite political figure is edging closer to irrelevance, while back home, mass protests are dismissed as if they were nothing more than an inconvenient footnote. The hypocrisy is staggering, the denial is transparent, and the desperation to spin an increasingly unfavorable reality is becoming impossible to conceal.

If their arguments were as solid as they pretend, they wouldn't need to dodge questions, rewrite their own positions, and substitute propaganda for evidence.

The persians are clear about who their enemy is and who they wish to harm and destroy. And they are busy doing it.

It is the Pakistani sympathizers of persia who have been misled and need to understand the historical context of this fight. Only they bring in Palestine and its tragic situation and draw parallels and hold iran in high regards and holy.