Yemen Civil War News and Discussion.. an evolving situation

[Persian Gulf]

They threated only Israel-related ships, and ships who refused to identify themselves like the ship you said.

It was unnecessarily escalated by shipping companies who refused to identify themselves without to be linked to Israel.

This is correct

We have seen ships set their call signal to things like "NOT ISRAEL" or "CHINESE SHIP" to avoid being targeted, because they know Ansarallah are only targeting Israeli-linked ships, or ships who refuse to identify themselves. Randomly attacking every ship doesn't make sense and isn't happening.

 

[BHAN85]

This is correct

We have seen ships set their call signal to things like "NOT ISRAEL" or "CHINESE SHIP" to avoid being targeted, because they know Ansarallah are only targeting Israeli-linked ships, or ships who refuse to identify themselves. Randomly attacking every ship doesn't make sense and isn't happening.

Chinese companies think in money.

They are not used as politics / war tools, like the western ones.

If Houthi were attacked ships identified as non-Israel-linked, then cosco would keep working in Israel through good hope cape path.

But it's not the case.

They know if they stop working with Israel, they have no problems in Red Sea if they identify themselves right.

Thanks God China exists, and they remind us everybody that countries under USA influence are constant lying machines.

 

[Developereo]

They are talking about American and British cargo ships, not Navy ships

The navy ships are there to intercept all threats to shipping. They are quite capable of doing so indefinitely because Houthi tech is no match for the West's combined military might.

I respect the message that the Houthi are sending, and they may well achieve their goal to disrupt shipping because insurance companies would demand detours anyway, but I don't expect they will actually destroy any cargo ships.

 

[LeGenD]

This is correct

We have seen ships set their call signal to things like "NOT ISRAEL" or "CHINESE SHIP" to avoid being targeted, because they know Ansarallah are only targeting Israeli-linked ships, or ships who refuse to identify themselves. Randomly attacking every ship doesn't make sense and isn't happening.

https://news.usni.org/2024/01/04/u-s-5th-fleet-co-houthi-strikes-not-just-targeting-israel-affiliated-ships

Houthi-Fired Missile Narrowly Misses Hitting Russian Oil Carrier

A ship hauling Russian oil had a narrow miss with a missile fired from Yemen, as vessels increasingly dodge the Red Sea following airstrikes on Houthi rebels.

www.bloomberg.com

 

[abdulhaadi1988]

What I meant was that the West took existing tribal conflicts and cast them in the cement of nation states. They made sure the tribal chiefs, now elevated to tinpot kings, would keep the area boiling with active help from the West through alliances, arms sales, etc.

Of course the Soviets and then Russians got into the game also to get their piece of the spoils.

I agree with you that outsiders, both Western and others, keep the pot boiling but the local element is just as complicit. We cannot control the outsiders, but we can try to educate our people, especially in the age of social media, so they are not manipulated by these divide and conquer tactics.

Sorry, but I do not see any other way out of this mess other than some miracle where a unifying force comes out of nowhere.

So the west made something which comes and goes naturally, namely tribal conflict which is not solely atypical to the middle east as was wrongly asserted by members here, and gave it a perpetual nature and often times would arm both sides, or one side they favoured more, to cause more damage. So it's hard not to put most of the blame on the West for making something natural into something unnatural, perpetual and controlled.

Education enough will not stop the external influence and had it not been for the disunity we face, we could control the outsiders ventures into the region. People are too far gone into nationalism and sectarianism to be snapped out of it.

We agree on the last paragraph, because the rot is now beginning to rot in the region.

 

[BHAN85]

The navy ships are there to intercept all threats to shipping. They are quite capable of doing so indefinitely because Houthi tech is no match for the West's combined military might.

I respect the message that the Houthi are sending, and they may well achieve their goal to disrupt shipping because insurance companies would demand detours anyway, but I don't expect they will actually destroy any cargo ships.

But houthi land is far more big than any warship.

How many drones and missiles can store Houthi land? Endless.

How many advanced hitech interceptors can store modern USA warships in Red Sea? A limited amount.

 

[abdulhaadi1988]

They are talking about American and British cargo ships, not Navy ships

Okay, but can you see the issue here? If they just target the commercial ships and not the US navy, the Navy will just pepper them until they run out of ammunition.

 

[abdulhaadi1988]

But houthi land is far more big than any warship.

How many drones and missiles can store Houthi land? Endless.

How many advanced hitech interceptors can store modern USA warships in Red Sea? A limited amount.

Houthis only hold a portion of western Yemen and their ammunition isn't endless. However I would like to see them use swarm tactics to saturate these defences. If they have that ability remains to be seen

 

[LeGenD]

Houthis only hold a portion of western Yemen and their ammunition isn't endless. However I would like to see them use swarm tactics to saturate these defences. If they have that ability remains to be seen

US Navy shoots down barrage of Houthi missiles and drones launched from Yemen over Red Sea, US Central Command says | CNN Politics

The US Navy shot down 21 Houthi missiles and drones launched from Yemen, according to a statement from US Central Command, in one of the largest Houthi attacks to take place in the Red Sea in recent months.

amp.cnn.com

Largest Attack On Red Sea Shipping To Date: What We Know

Multiple drones and missiles were downed by U.S. and U.K. warships and aircraft as the Houthis continue to raise the stakes in the region.

www.thedrive.com

It was the largest anti-ship salvo of its kind on record. But US Navy ships have unparalleled defenses.

 

[Developereo]

People are too far gone into nationalism and sectarianism to be snapped out of it.ion.

The EU is an experiment to undo nationalism to some extent and to reap the benefits of scale, as the US, China and India enjoy. Will the EU experiment succeed or will it fail long term?

That is an interesting discussion in itself and will take us off-topic, so I will end it here. Thanks.

 

[Muji.Iqbal]

Well the Houthis are terrorists. I have no sympathy for them.

 

[abdulhaadi1988]

Largest Attack On Red Sea Shipping To Date: What We Know

Multiple drones and missiles were downed by U.S. and U.K. warships and aircraft as the Houthis continue to raise the stakes in the region.

www.thedrive.com

It was the largest salvo of its kind on record. But US Navy ships have unparalleled defenses.

That was not a swarm tactic. A swarm tactic is when you saturate the air defences of every ship in the area of combat. 21 drones is not enough for the amount of US navy vessels there.

 

[abdulhaadi1988]

Well the Houthis are terrorists. I have no sympathy for them.

Says who?

 

[abdulhaadi1988]

The EU is an experiment to undo nationalism to some extent and to reap the benefits of scale, as the US, China and India enjoy. Will the EU experiment succeed or will it fail long term?

That is an interesting discussion in itself and will take us off-topic, so I will end it here. Thanks.

I wasn't talking about EU, I was talking about nationalism in the middle east. You took it off topic, but you do you.

 

[LeGenD]

That was not a swarm tactic.

Swarm tactic = salvo involving multiple missiles and/or drones.

It was an anti-ship salvo involving a mix of missiles and drones. The entire salvo or strike package was intercepted.

Same concept, different terms.