Yemen Civil War News and Discussion.. an evolving situation

[Alter_Ego]

Regardless of what houthis are in the eyes of GCC, no doubt they actually have harmed Israel. That too in support of Palestine. Its a fact that no one can deny.

Houthis, Hezbollah and Hamas have actually damaged Israel physically. I find it strange that GCC hates these same group but is opening up for that genocidial entity at the same time.

 

[_Arabia_]

Chances of unified Yemen are pretty slim without massive ground invasion ....it may go back to 60s era of north Yemen and south Yemen ..... what's your take on this ?

My take, even though I disagree in principle as I prefer the idea of Arab political unity rather than more division, is that the best idea is probably to divide Yemen into a north and South Yemen again. It seems to me that they can't live in peace. Last 10 years of civil war has not exactly given southern Yemenis appetite to reunify with the north if it remains under Houthi rule.

Anyway I will let Yemenis decide that. If they can remove bad apples such as Houthis and others (from both sides) and put their differences aside they should definitely remain united if you ask me. At least if the goal is to make Yemen a potentially prosperous and strong country. If the goal is to make Yemen weak, divided (as currently) then they should be supporting status quo.

As for Houthis, they are a cult started by the Al-Houthi family/clan that they are named after. It started as a political movement against the incompetence of Ali Abdullah Saleh and later evolved into an armed movement. To make a long story short, they have totally dominated the Zaydi Yemeni identity nowadays and have equaled Zaydis with Houthis similar to how Hezbollah has hijacked all of Lebanese Shia Arabs and their other movements.

Don't forget that not that long ago, prior to the Egyptian invasion of Yemen (which was also catastrophic), the Zaydis in the North were ruled by a Zaydi monarchy. As had been the case for 1000 + years. During the era of Nasser it was KSA that supported the Zaydis against the republicans.

So shifting alliances in Yemen is nothing new.

In many ways Yemen is the Afghanistan of the region. Very tribal.

Which is unfortunate as it is an incredibly beautiful country with a rich and great history and culture. The people are also great, northerners as well as southerners. On a personal note, I have visited Yemen several times and have extended family from there and partial ancestral ties to Yemen as well. I have nothing but love for the country and people.

A very famous Arab YouTuber visited Yemen (government controlled areas) recently and his views have been watched almost 10 million times.

Aden and Hadhramaut. Taiz as well.

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Anyway, as for how to remove the terrorist cult from Northern Yemen, I believe that the Yemenis themselves will eventually remove them. Because as I wrote they have no plan for Yemen, offer no progress etc. They are basically backward khat-addicted cavemen. The foot soldiers. Many are illiterate as well.

What could they possible offer to Yemen when they cannot even offer the people that they occupy the basics? It is a joke.

Yemenis themselves will have to figure this out and solve it. The alternative is remaining a failed country.

 

[_Arabia_]

Regardless of what houthis are in the eyes of GCC, no doubt they actually have harmed Israel. That too in support of Palestine. Its a fact that no one can deny.

Houthis, Hezbollah and Hamas have actually damaged Israel physically. I find it strange that GCC hates these same group but is opening up for that genocidial entity at the same time.

There is nothing strange about this. Israel or Palestine has nothing to do with events in Yemen for the past 10 + years. It is the same faulty logic whenever Syria was discussed.

Houthis might have fired a few firecrackers and drones at Israel but they are yet to kill 1 single Israeli and yet to destroy anything strategic or relevant in Israel. It is basically a propaganda toll (clever) as outside Muslims (who mostly know nothing about the Houthis or Yemen) will take their side because they attacked the Zionists. I don't blame them but I prefer to look at the entire picture.

All those groups and regimes of the region use the Palestine conflict for their propaganda aims. Nobody else than Hamas is doing the fighting on the ground. Even the Hezbollah attempts were largely pathetic and the Israeli casualties first began when Israel actually started invading southern Lebanon.

We are talking about a backward terrorist cult that is the main fault for the Yemeni civil war that they started in 2014 and the current divisions within Yemen. As well as Yemen being a failed state.

Which sane person is supposed to be hailing that as some kind of great achievement let alone a Muslim?

I for once would not be supporting some kind of backward terrorist group in parts of Bangladesh (under their control) who were oppressing local people, helping destroy Bangladesh, yet due to mostly propaganda attempts at bolstering their image, if said group started attacking the Myanmar regime (or Israel), they were now supposedly heroes?

I don't get this idiotic logic, sorry.

 

[_Arabia_]

To make it perfectly clear.

Both the Zionists in Israel and the Houthis are shit. Both can be true at the same time. Being against Houthis just like being against the Al-Assad regime does not mean that you are a Zionist or pro-Israel. This kind of idiotic logic is reserved for propagandists. By that logic Hamas are Zionists as they openly praised the removal of the Al-Assad regime. And as far as I am aware, they are the only ones that are engaging the Zionists full on.

Events in the past 13 + years in Syria had little to do with Israel or Palestine if not nothing. Similarly in Yemen in the past 10 + years.

Even if we assume that this is the case in some alternative universe, I would like to hear the same users that have been crying about the fall of the Al-Assad regime and the weakening and division of Syria, what their logic in regards to Yemen is if not contradictory completely?

Why the hypocrisy when the Houthis are terrorists (they rebelled against the government like the Syrian opposition did which you guys call terrorists), they even started the civil war back in 2014 (it was not the Yemeni government that attacked them but the other way around) and all this, more than anything else, helped weaken Yemen completely and divided it.

So which is it, as it cannot be both as both positions are contradictory?

 

[_Arabia_]

The worst thing about all this is that every intelligent person, Muslim or non-Muslim, knows that all those militant groups in the region cannot defeat Israel.

It would require regional unity and for strong, stable, non-divided regional states to take the lead. Jointly.

Instead Muslims, as the retards that they have mainly dwarfed into, are supporting said groups, not working towards unity, actively destroying their own countries and thus losing everywhere.

Their empty cheerleading for groups such as the Houthis is another testament of completely wrong and harmful priorities.

Mark my words, Israel/US won't stop with yesterday's strike. They have tacit support from China, India and others as well you don't like the disruption of trade routes. If the Houthis continue, they will increase and afterwards they will start assassinations. They can freely and without any consequences increase the escalation ladder. Houthis cannot and meanwhile they have 20 + million Yemenis in Northern Yemen as hostages.

Houthis might just for once kill 1 single Israeli or damage some government building after 2 years of war on Gaza, yet in return Northern Yemen risks utter destruction and afterwards the retarded Muslims will hail this as some kind of victory.

Each month with instability and war in Yemen means 1 more month of wasted talent, prosperity, stability and potential.

Go on, if idiots in the region support failed groups and regimes and love to live in said failed communities, go on. Nothing we outsiders can do to change that. Just don't come crying and shouting and say that we did not warn you.

 

[Alter_Ego]

Houthis might have fired a few firecrackers and drones at Israel but they are yet to kill 1 single Israeli and yet to destroy anything strategic or relevant in Israel.

There is a reason why US and countless other US allies have parked multiple DDGs, Frigates and even Aircraft carriers in the Yemeni waters (which on itself is violation of maritime law).

It is basically a propaganda toll (clever) as outside Muslims (who mostly know nothing about the Houthis or Yemen) will take their side because they attacked the Zionists. I don't blame them but I prefer to look at the entire picture.

Most muslims on this forum probably know well what Houthis are.

All those groups and regimes of the region use the Palestine conflict for their propaganda aims. Nobody else than Hamas is doing the fighting on the ground. Even the Hezbollah attempts were largely pathetic and the Israeli casualties first began when Israel actually started invading southern Lebanon.

Hamas no doubt did the most.
But saying Hizbollah did little is strange going by the events last 9 months, dont you think

I for once would not be supporting some kind of backward terrorist group in parts of Bangladesh (under their control) who were oppressing local people, helping destroy Bangladesh, yet due to mostly propaganda attempts at bolstering their image, if said group started attacking the Myanmar regime (or Israel), they were now supposedly heroes?

its actually very logical
Houthis havent waged war against KSA ..so what dealing does KSA and UAE have in Yemen? Its a civil war which ultimately houthis won. KSA supported the loosing side. Thats the result.


We understand that for KSA and UAE, Isnotreal is the enemy of my enemy. Remove Iran from the calculus and the position of GCC would be very different. Cold hard facts.

 

[_Arabia_]

There is a reason why US and countless other US allies have parked multiple DDGs, Frigates and even Aircraft carriers in the Yemeni waters (which on itself is violation of maritime law).



Most muslims on this forum probably know well what Houthis are.



Hamas no doubt did the most.
But saying Hizbollah did little is strange going by the events last 9 months, dont you think



its actually very logical
Houthis havent waged war against KSA ..so what dealing does KSA and UAE have in Yemen? Its a civil war which ultimately houthis won. KSA supported the loosing side. Thats the result.


We understand that for KSA and UAE, Isnotreal is the enemy of my enemy. Remove Iran from the calculus and the position of GCC would be very different. Cold hard facts.

They were always present in one of the most strategic maritime areas of the world. Remember that up to 15% of the world's trade passes through the Red Sea. It was always a military hotspot. Add Djibouti next door which is one giant international military base hosting US, Chinese, French, Saudi Arabian and what not military bases.

I don't think most here have a clue about the Yemeni civil war, how it started or events that unfolded in Yemen in the past 10 years.

They did nothing compared to the propaganda we have heard from the mostly Iranian regime-aligned people that Hezbollah had enough of missiles and super weapons to destroy all of Israel. That turned out to be a complete and utter hoax. As I wrote, Hezbollah first started killing a few Israeli soldiers when Israel actually started conquering Southern Lebanon. Not sure if I should give them praise for fighting back here?

Actually the Yemeni government and KSA/UAE won if anything by controlling 80% of Yemen, all the main ports, all the oil, gas and most strategic areas. Houthis are confined to the mountains of Northern Yemen (the Zaydi traditional stronghold) and have control of 1, now destroyed, port in Al-Hudeydah. Before the KSA intervention, Houthis controlled 80% of Yemen and even Aden.

Nah, nothing to do with Israel at all, as they are irrelevant in regards to Yemen. It is about turning Yemen with almost 45 million people (soon twice as much if not more), a neighboring country, that KSA for instance shares an almost 2000 km long border with, into a failed stated, when it could have been a potentially strong country with close ties to KSA as throughout most of history.

Also KSA would not look silently at a pro-Iranian regime group gaining control with all of Yemen and turning Yemen into a hostile country next door. No country would.

Anyway KSA and Houthis have had peace for the past 4 years almost. However that does not change anything in regards to their incompetence and them being a huge problem for Yemen.

 

[_Arabia_]

Let me put it this way, even if Houthis and KSA became best buddies today or tomorrow, I would still not support them. Why? Because I think that they are a great hindrance for the development of Yemen and Yemenis. Their sect is irrelevant. BTW, Zaydis are basically Sunnis so none of this is of any importance here.

KSA signed a peace treaty and normalized relations with Iran. There were some talk of even joint naval exercises in the Red Sea and what not not long ago. While I by default support friendly/stable relations with any neighbor, that has not magically turned me into a proponent of the Iranian regime. I am just as critical of them as before in regards to what they are doing in the Arab world. What they do within Iran, I don't care about to be frank. Their business.

Same way if KSA signed a normalization deal with Israel tomorrow, that would not change my views of Israel either.

I would not magically turn into a pro-Al-Assad regime guy even if Al-Assad fired 100 ballistic missiles at Tel Aviv.

Such turncoats and such simpleton logic is not something I operate with.

I have clear views about who (countries/entities) and which groups I consider a threat/enemy of KSA and Arabs as a whole. I can say so much that I consider Israel and the Iranian regime two sides of the same coin in this regard.

 

[mythbuster]

There is a reason why US and countless other US allies have parked multiple DDGs, Frigates and even Aircraft carriers in the Yemeni waters (which on itself is violation of maritime law).



Most muslims on this forum probably know well what Houthis are.



Hamas no doubt did the most.
But saying Hizbollah did little is strange going by the events last 9 months, dont you think



its actually very logical
Houthis havent waged war against KSA ..so what dealing does KSA and UAE have in Yemen? Its a civil war which ultimately houthis won. KSA supported the loosing side. Thats the result.


We understand that for KSA and UAE, Isnotreal is the enemy of my enemy. Remove Iran from the calculus and the position of GCC would be very different. Cold hard facts.

What has the resistance ( euphemism ) has achieved so far ? ....As the Americans say ! You want to die for you country , we will honor your wish ......if all the Muslim countries pool their military resources in the middle East theater even then they can achieve nothing ......they will be obliterated within weeks without using nukes .....bro , cut this macho crap , it's not healthy .

 

[_Arabia_]

What has the resistance ( euphemism ) has achieved so far ? ....As the Americans say ! You want to die for you country , we will honor your wish ......if all the Muslim countries pool their military resources in the middle East theater even then they can achieve nothing ......they will be obliterated within weeks without using nukes .....bro , cut this macho crap , it's not healthy .

What did I wrote yesterday about Israel/USA/West soon going to bomb Yemen and in the process killing Yemenis? What just occurred? It is this type of short-sightedness that is destroying the Muslim world.

You know what, in principle the Houthi attacks on Israel, even if they have barely amounted to anything are praiseworthy (for whatever this is worth) but it won't and has not changed anything on the ground and in return it only invites massive retaliatory attacks on Northern Yemen and Yemenis as a people.

Houthis cannot do much more than they are doing or have done. Israel/USA could in return carpet bomb all of Northern Yemen without many consequences and use the stupidity of the Houthis as an excuse.

 

[SteppeWolff]

What has the resistance ( euphemism ) has achieved so far ? ....As the Americans say ! You want to die for you country , we will honor your wish ......if all the Muslim countries pool their military resources in the middle East theater even then they can achieve nothing ......they will be obliterated within weeks without using nukes .....bro , cut this macho crap , it's not healthy .

Thougt process like yours is the reason Muslim World got colonised easily.

"Americans are big and bad so I'll bend over like a good boy".

 

[mythbuster]

Thougt process like yours is the reason Muslim World got colonised easily.

"Americans are big and bad so I'll bend over like a good boy".

Ok , big guy ..... Americans are too big and bad , even Taliban will grab you by the neck and bend you over ....you may start loving them .

 

[_Arabia_]

Thougt process like yours is the reason Muslim World got colonised easily.

"Americans are big and bad so I'll bend over like a good boy".

What did Einstein say about repeating the same mistakes over and over again?

What has the Houthis done to Israel exactly? Have they killed 1 single Israeli soldier let alone citizen? The answer is no.

Have they destroyed anything of significance in Israel? The answer is no. From what I could see on Twitter, they destroyed some evacuated kindergarten in Tel Aviv partially.

Now what has Northern Yemen and Yemenis in return received? More destruction, several dead Yemenis, widespread destruction of infrastructure (the few that remain and are barely functioning) and now the same Israel/USA/West has every excuse to continue the escalation ladder.

In return what can the Houthis do more than they have already done? The answer is nothing.

So basically you either directly or indirectly support/want the destruction of Northern Yemen for the sake of some propaganda victory online that won't stop Israel doing what they are doing in Gaza and elsewhere. Only embolden them.

In the process you support a party (incompetent terrorist cult that illegally occupies Northern Yemen) that destroyed Yemen by starting a civil war in 2014, helped weaken and divide Yemen and which in return has turned Yemen into a failed state with little immediate prospects of a change for the better with them around.

This is called being a retard. It is strange that you don't support such a thing for Pakistan. Why don't you support one of the many Pakistani terrorist groups to start a civil war in Pakistan, occupy parts of Pakistan etc.? Even better, the ones sponsored by India and Modi.

If not, why wish the same for Yemen?

 

[SteppeWolff]

Ok , big guy ..... Americans are too big and bad , even Taliban will grab you by the neck and bend you over ....you may start loving them .

Chill out dawg; you have weird kinks.

is strange that you don't support such a thing for Pakistan. Why don't you support one of the many Pakistani terrorist groups to start a civil war in Pakistan, occupy parts of Pakistan etc.? Even better, the ones sponsored by India and Modi.

My retard friend, you mentioned "terrorist" and "sponsored by India and Modi". So why tf would I support them?

And yes I fully support the dismantling of the current political and military setup of Pakistan. Tyrants have no place and fags like you support Israeli attack on Ansarullah.

 

[_Arabia_]

Chill out dawg; you have weird kinks.

My retard friend, you mentioned "terrorist" and "sponsored by India and Modi". So why tf would I support them?

And yes I fully support the dismantling of the current political and military setup of Pakistan. Tyrants have no place and fags like you support Israeli attack on Ansarullah.

Cretin, using your logic, WTF should Yemenis be supporting Iranian Mullah regime sponsored terrorist groups who have messed up Northern Yemen, who started a civil war in Yemen and helped turn it into a failed state? Can you answer this simple question retard?

Two terrorists fighting each other is great news, retard, just like you would be supporting India and Taliban fighting each other.

Now lastly, tell me, WTF do you have to do with Yemen again or the Arab world? Why don't you mind your own business and stick to licking Iranian Mullah regime boots? The only thing your likes are good at. Maybe even better, join those Shia Pakistani terrorist groups in Syria that are now being exterminated, lol.

They were used as used toilet paper by your beloved Iranian regime. As cattle used for slaughter. Seems to me that you would love to join them.