Z-10 ME/P deliveries Updates: Pakistan Army Aviation.

[hussain0216]

8-12 are already here per some sources. Qasim base.

How many are we aiming for???

Or general question to anyone, How many of these do you guys think we need in a war and general situation?

 

[Ali_Baba]

Hi,

Pray that the next time they realize that the enemy is going to destroy them to oblivion when it gets the chance---.

The Paf still thinks that their Tap dancing will stop the enemy---little do their realize that with each failure---the enemy is getting closer to success---just like Mahmood Ghaznavi---.

And this song & dance of the Paf will not stop the tide once it starts rolling---because Paf is not mentally prepared to take the challenge of KILLING 100 ENEMY PILOTS on day 1 of the battle---.

The definitely lack the killer instinct when opportunity presents itself. Far to "intellectual" on concepts of restraint, rather than causing capability degradation of the opponent for sure.

 

[Desprado123]

Dam good upgrades. Navy is upgrade on rapid, PAF as well and now drone and AD needs a proper upgrade.

 

[Reichmarshal]

Guess what? Many a stuff wished for in this forum has in fact got realized! One example: Mastan Sahib's (@MastanKhan) constant rebuking of the PAF for being too timid. This time they've got 6 jets....

they still timid as they could have shot down 25-30.....while they shot down only 7

 

[ghazi52]

 

[ghazi52]

 

[ghazi52]

First batch of 4 has major upgrades such as
-Multiple AESA Panels
-MMW Radar
-NLOS CM-501GA AT Light networked 40km
-NG DIRCM
-Modular armor + IR suppression

 

[ghazi52]

 

[ghazi52]

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[Toxic]

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They usually outright deny fake news. So I think it more less confirms it.

 

[Psyko70]

23mm gun is good ? 30 mm would have been better like apache ?

 

[Lion]

Yes ... But could be used for for COIN operations as long as India does not provide MANPADS to the TTP and Baloch Terrorist; which I believe for many obvious reasons India would not do.

Hi, the Cobra fleet should have been retired a lot time ago, but Pakistan had no replacement. I remember reading in Air Forces Monthly over a decade ago the Cobras had issues in high altitude in the Northern Areas, but there was no other platform available.

PA needs to replace them with the Z-10. When will Pakistan learn, F-16 embargos in the 90s, limits on F-16 usage 2000s, cutoff of using FMS for F-16 during Obama's time, no engine sale for Turkish gunships?

The Cobra fleet is partially retired already - only some of the airframes from the original 50 or so still fly. The rest were either too old (starting to become dangerous) or cannibalized for spares to keep the remaining flying. They do get deployed in the west from time to time as well, though are primarily stationed in the East.

Z-10MEs will not be replacing them 1-1 for now, and we might see them retire before 2030 as keeping them flying even in the west is going to become expensive and dangerous with how old they’re getting + they don’t have the kind of precision munitions like UCAVs or newer gunships do. Mi35s + Fennecs for CAS and UCAVs for strikes are enough in the west if deployed well (“if deployed well” is a big If - they have historically not been deployed well, though PA has definitely improved availability for them in recent years).

As for Z-10ME requirements, given the length of the border and PAs offensive-defense doctrine, even if PA only wants to deploy them to cover its limited offensive plans, at least 2 full squadrons (30~32 Helicopters) are required (that’s not the official requirement, but it is a realistic number given PAs doctrine) - first batch will obviously be smaller but if funds permit I think PA will try to hit that number.

As far as using UCAVs or Helo-UCAVs in their place is concerned - regular UCAVs cannot replace Gunships, especially when it comes to covering ground assaults, they can’t loiter/hover and provide cover fire. Helo UCAVs are a possibility but there is not a good enough one in existence with the payload, range and sensor capabilities of a full fledged gunship like the Z-10ME, and PA certainly can’t foot the bill to desing one, hence UCAVs are not viable replacements for gunships, especially not in a Pak-Ind scenario where SAMs are everywhere and air superiority is unlikely to be achieved by either side. If PA wants to get any good use out of these they absolutely have to be paired with new SHORADs that will advance with armored columns to cover these Helos.

 

[Be dazzled]

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[Fatman17]

There is absolutely no mention of Z-10ME deployed on Chinese Internet. Atleast I haven't seen it. Careful people bubble could burst like that L-15 story.

 

[Bilal]

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It’s very old. Testing during the first trials.