Z-10 ME/P deliveries Updates: Pakistan Army Aviation.

[PakAl]

We've been getting these helis since 2019 lol if you ask the fanboys.
Every year hype is created around PAA getting these and every single time you'll see suckers falling for it

Pakistan will buy Z10 helicopter but only when they're good enough for our military needs.

 

[Tariq Habib Afridi]

Hi, the Cobra fleet should have been retired a lot time ago, but Pakistan had no replacement. I remember reading in Air Forces Monthly over a decade ago the Cobras had issues in high altitude in the Northern Areas, but there was no other platform available.

PA needs to replace them with the Z-10. When will Pakistan learn, F-16 embargos in the 90s, limits on F-16 usage 2000s, cutoff of using FMS for F-16 during Obama's time, no engine sale for Turkish gunships?

Still some here believe that we should go for F-16 viper upgrade. No offense to anyone but usa cannot and should never be trusted ever. they just seek some leverage over us again.

 

[That_Guy]

UCAV is a better choice! This is one of the choices.
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UCAVs currently cannot provide reliable close air support, nor can they provide straffing runs.

 

[PakAl]

It wasn't entirely funds, the platform had quality issues for Pakistan and the Chinese had been doing aggressive R&D to patch up some issues. Supposedly engine power has increased and some other additional tweaks.

This is Chinese first attack helicopter and both nations want cutting edge helicopter so Pakistan tested it and gave feedback to China. We have seen Z10ME 02 already and maybe needs more work before Pakistan gets it.

 

[PakAl]

Some?? They almost changed the whole thing to win our liking.

Definitely big changes, looks really mean.

 

[Metal 0-1]

IMO. There is probably a 90% chance that Pakistan will not buy the Z-10ME helicopter gunship.

1. A number of recent wars have shown that the role of the specialized helicopter gunship has been significantly reduced. The threat it faces on the battlefield is higher than ever before.
2. UCAVs have been able to fully replace many important roles of manned specialized helicopter gunships on many levels. Large unmanned helicopters have also emerged.
3, China's more advanced specialized helicopter gunship, the Z-21, has emerged. Pakistan's need for the Z-10ME is not particularly urgent, and it could have waited until the Z-21 matured to buy it directly.

Just because Russia suck at establishing air superiority and they were dumb enough to through hundreds of their gunships in contested airspace doesn't mean that gunships helicopters are obsolete

 

[PakAl]

Hi,

Pray that the next time they realize that the enemy is going to destroy them to oblivion when it gets the chance---.

The Paf still thinks that their Tap dancing will stop the enemy---little do their realize that with each failure---the enemy is getting closer to success---just like Mahmood Ghaznavi---.

And this song & dance of the Paf will not stop the tide once it starts rolling---because Paf is not mentally prepared to take the challenge of KILLING 100 ENEMY PILOTS on day 1 of the battle---.

Agree @MastanKhan, they will plot one more time, they may try to sabotage like the israelis done to Iran, and they will want to destroy alot of paf weaponary on the ground, a surprise attack.

 

[Michael]

UCAVs currently cannot provide reliable close air support, nor can they provide straffing runs.

This is a small unmanned helicopter exported from China to Indonesia. China has other larger unmanned helicopter platforms available if needed.


Dedicated armed helicopters have a more powerful strike capability and a more focused range of weapons. However, it is operated by specialized Army Air Corps units, and other ground forces that require its support require a more complex command process.

The rich variety of UCAVs and robotic dogs actually decentralizes the weapon types. They are carried and operated directly by ground forces and can be called upon at any time without having to cross any chain of command.

For example:
A ground patrol unit discovers a secret terrorist stronghold. Or, a team of terrorists attacks a certain point and a ground force goes to the rescue. (This is the most common scenario in the war on terror.)
1. They call their headquarters and request the Army Air Corps to send helicopter gunships to provide air support.
2, They directly use their carry-on UCAV/FPV and robot dogs to strike directly at the stronghold.
Which of these two ways is better?

 

[Oscar]

Yes ... But could be used for for COIN operations as long as India does not provide MANPADS to the TTP and Baloch Terrorist; which I believe for many obvious reasons India would not do.

Manpads arent the only threat anymore.
More helis in Ukraine are going down to FPV drones than manpads.

 

[Toxic]

Manpads arent the only threat anymore.
More helis in Ukraine are going down to FPV drones than manpads.

Vast majority of attack helis in that conflict are ancient, they are not equipped with jammers and EW systems to make sure FPV's aren't a threat to them

 

[That_Guy]

This is a small unmanned helicopter exported from China to Indonesia. China has other larger unmanned helicopter platforms available if needed.
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Dedicated armed helicopters have a more powerful strike capability and a more focused range of weapons. However, it is operated by specialized Army Air Corps units, and other ground forces that require its support require a more complex command process.

The rich variety of UCAVs and robotic dogs actually decentralizes the weapon types. They are carried and operated directly by ground forces and can be called upon at any time without having to cross any chain of command.

For example:
A ground patrol unit discovers a secret terrorist stronghold. Or, a team of terrorists attacks a certain point and a ground force goes to the rescue. (This is the most common scenario in the war on terror.)
1. They call their headquarters and request the Army Air Corps to send helicopter gunships to provide air support.
2, They directly use their carry-on UCAV/FPV and robot dogs to strike directly at the stronghold.
Which of these two ways is better?

As you've mentioned, it doesn't have the necessary payload capacity, as it is a small drone. As such, it's range/payload/capabilities are all limited. Even the big one has similar issues.

The biggest issue, because it's a drone, latency becomes a deadly problem. A manned helicopter can react instantly at the push of a button, while data has to be relayed between user and drone in order to shoot. A second can mean the life and death of a soldier.

Your examples are bad.

In an operation where CAS is required, the helicopter would be escorting them from the beginning.

the only thing that would be called is for an airstrike via jets, or for evac/exfil.

 

[That_Guy]

Manpads arent the only threat anymore.
More helis in Ukraine are going down to FPV drones than manpads.

That seems more user error than actual problems with the helicopters.

FPVs tend to have very short ranges, so the helicopter pilots, and the military should know who's around at all times, and know where to land.

 

[ARMalik]

IMO. There is probably a 90% chance that Pakistan will not buy the Z-10ME helicopter gunship.

1. A number of recent wars have shown that the role of the specialized helicopter gunship has been significantly reduced. The threat it faces on the battlefield is higher than ever before.
2. UCAVs have been able to fully replace many important roles of manned specialized helicopter gunships on many levels. Large unmanned helicopters have also emerged.
3, China's more advanced specialized helicopter gunship, the Z-21, has emerged. Pakistan's need for the Z-10ME is not particularly urgent, and it could have waited until the Z-21 matured to buy it directly.

Thanks God you have zero influence in Chinese military otherwise even philippines would have defeated China.

 

[Scorpio]

How much attach Helicopter are effective in new warfare's, as Drone and UAVs have show there values in conflicts and tested as well these days.

Do army really need large numbers of these now

 

[Zarvan]

IMO. There is probably a 90% chance that Pakistan will not buy the Z-10ME helicopter gunship.

1. A number of recent wars have shown that the role of the specialized helicopter gunship has been significantly reduced. The threat it faces on the battlefield is higher than ever before.
2. UCAVs have been able to fully replace many important roles of manned specialized helicopter gunships on many levels. Large unmanned helicopters have also emerged.
3, China's more advanced specialized helicopter gunship, the Z-21, has emerged. Pakistan's need for the Z-10ME is not particularly urgent, and it could have waited until the Z-21 matured to buy it directly.

Reports suggest that they already have arrived