Z-10 ME/P deliveries Updates: Pakistan Army Aviation.

[Ali_Baba]

PAA AH1Z in storage-6 months old pic

I cant see these helicopters ever being in PAA service, too much ground has been covered since. The best the Americans can do is re-absorb them into the US Army and refund Pakistan so anything they may have spent so far.

The WZ10 induction, and potentially the T929 down the road makes the AH-1Z irrelevant now.

 

[Lion]

Pakistan military has always asked for modifications to the base Chinese models based on their experience with western suites.
A-5
F-6
F-7PG
And now Z-10MP

You can technically put the VT-4 on this list too.

 

[Aziqbal]

So it would seem like Pakistani army aviation has now indeed inducted the Chinese attack helicopter

First batch is said to be 4-8 units

Total of 50-60 are to be acquired by end of 2027

Another proof that now almost 100% of Pakistan’s military purchases are of Chinese origin

Having been a operator of advanced Western systems for decades it means Chinese equivalent are either on par or superior to Western ones

Pakistan does not need keep begging now change your policy to a Pakistan first policy

A policy that is in line with Islamic values and traditions

Anyways it gives Pakistan a powerful anti armour capability because it is said to have one of the most advanced new generation ATGM

 

[Ak01]

Having been a operator of advanced Western systems for decades it means Chinese equivalent are either on par or superior to Western ones

or theres no alternative.

guess we'll never know.

 

[Pak-Warrior]

Having been a operator of advanced Western systems for decades it means Chinese equivalent are either on par or superior to Western ones

Z-10MEs were not Pak army's first choice. Pakistan had selected T129 and deal was announced too. Pakistan also wanted those AH-1Z Vipers which US didn't released. So, basically there's no other choice at all.

However, having said that chinese weapons undoubtedly are now at par with west's and In some cases even superior (as proved by PL-15s recently).

 

[Lion]

So it would seem like Pakistani army aviation has now indeed inducted the Chinese attack helicopter

First batch is said to be 4-8 units

Total of 50-60 are to be acquired by end of 2027

Another proof that now almost 100% of Pakistan’s military purchases are of Chinese origin

Having been a operator of advanced Western systems for decades it means Chinese equivalent are either on par or superior to Western ones

Pakistan does not need keep begging now change your policy to a Pakistan first policy

A policy that is in line with Islamic values and traditions

Anyways it gives Pakistan a powerful anti armour capability because it is said to have one of the most advanced new generation ATGM

1. There will likely not be “50-60” deliveries in two years. Where is that number from? The initial order is reportedly 32-40 helicopters (two squadrons).

2. 100% from China? Are you sure? What about the navy and air forces western purchases, purchases from Turkey, or even the army who’s still buying lots of stuff from Europe?

3. I’m not saying China can’t make something equal to western technology at all, they can, but this is a bit of a stretch, there are things China is still very much behind in compared to Europe and America, there are also things China has already overtaken those regions in, but the Z-10ME was Pakistan’s third choice after missing out on the American and Turkish option. That is to say, it was the only option left.

4. Everything else aside, how is anything to do with China even remotely in line with Islamic values and traditions…how is their stance on Muslims any better than the west?

 

[hussain0216]

Z-10MEs were not Pak army's first choice. Pakistan had selected T129 and deal was announced too. Pakistan also wanted those AH-1Z Vipers which US didn't released. So, basically there's no other choice at all.

However, having said that chinese weapons undoubtedly are now at par with west's and In some cases even superior (as proved by PL-15s recently).

That was then, the Z10MEs have come a long way since then

We also got a great deal with the T129s from Turkey, Turkey was more interested in the larger follow on helicopter and was offering ToT for the T129 so much or at least some of it could be made In Pakistan if I recall


But we simply couldn't keep waiting and the Z10ME had matured


We will also likely purchase the heavy Turkish helicopter with a Turkish engine when that becomes available

 

[Luciferdd]

To view this content we will need your consent to set third party cookies.
For more detailed information, see our cookies page.

Accept third party cookies

View attachment 137835

Sizeable numbers have been inducted
Mwm radars part of package too

In fact，you don't need to install a mmw radar on every wz10.They can share the target data through a data link,So in a helicopter formation, it's sufficient to have only one or two unit that is equipped with mmw radar.

 

[Lion]

That was then, the Z10MEs have come a long way since then

We also got a great deal with the T129s from Turkey, Turkey was more interested in the larger follow on helicopter and was offering ToT for the T129 so much or at least some of it could be made In Pakistan if I recall


But we simply couldn't keep waiting and the Z10ME had matured


We will also likely purchase the heavy Turkish helicopter with a Turkish engine when that becomes available

The Z-10 partially matured specifically because of the issues Pakistan had with it, credit where due to China, they take customer feedback seriously and keep coming back to Pakistan after improvements until the platform gets accepted. It’s not the first time they’ve applied this approach, a prime example was the F7PGs development, and even now when their industry has gotten so much better than before, they still take feedback and apply it.

 

[Quwa]

I cant see these helicopters ever being in PAA service, too much ground has been covered since. The best the Americans can do is re-absorb them into the US Army and refund Pakistan so anything they may have spent so far.

The WZ10 induction, and potentially the T929 down the road makes the AH-1Z irrelevant now.

My dream is to take all of our newer American gear (Block-52, Bell 412EP, and AH-1Z if we can reclaim them) to form a National Air Guard Corps. Basically a reserve wing where we can send seconded PAF and PAA officers with legit experience but inability to progress upwards to have a 'second life' in the work they're used to (vs. being sent off to mange some SOE).

 

[Pak-Warrior]

That was then, the Z10MEs have come a long way since then

We also got a great deal with the T129s from Turkey, Turkey was more interested in the larger follow on helicopter and was offering ToT for the T129 so much or at least some of it could be made In Pakistan if I recall


But we simply couldn't keep waiting and the Z10ME had matured


We will also likely purchase the heavy Turkish helicopter with a Turkish engine when that becomes available

Yep, I know Z-10ME has gone through modifications. But I was just saying, that it wasn't the first choice. Gen Bajwa had stated it too.

In the end, its good for us. I assume T129 were way more expensive then Z-10MEs. I'd not want to spend ridiculous amount of money on gunships when it already is a legacy system and world is moving towards unmanned replacements. NOT saying it do not have a utility at the moment. It certainly has, but not for very long in future. Don't want to open that debate again lol. So good that situation led us to Z-10MEs in my opinion.

Lastly, I absolutely do not agree that we will go with T129s too in future. Make no sense with current economy as there's many other areas needing investments like missile defense systems, supersonic CMs, More J-10s, PFX, 5th gen fighters, all those systems which are actually "game changer" and should be at higher priority then a second gunship helo. I think gunship helo debate is settled once and for all with Z-10MEs, that's the present and future.

 

[That_Guy]

Not Obama but Trump

Oh, you're right.

 

[hussain0216]

Yep, I know Z-10ME has gone through modifications. But I was just saying, that it wasn't the first choice. Gen Bajwa had stated it too.

In the end, its good for us. I assume T129 were way more expensive then Z-10MEs. I'd not want to spend ridiculous amount of money on gunships when it already is a legacy system and world is moving towards unmanned replacements. NOT saying it do not have a utility at the moment. It certainly has, but not for very long in future. Don't want to open that debate again lol. So good that situation led us to Z-10MEs in my opinion.

Lastly, I absolutely do not agree that we will go with T129s too in future. Make no sense with current economy as there's many other areas needing investments like missile defense systems, supersonic CMs, More J-10s, PFX, 5th gen fighters, all those systems which are actually "game changer" and should be at higher priority then a second gunship helo. I think gunship helo debate is settled once and for all with Z-10MEs, that's the present and future.

Not the T129

The heavier Turkish platform, I can forsee Pakistan doing a balancing act between a Chinese and Turkish platform

 

[Great Mal]

Weirdly i can't figure out the paintjob.

seems black or dark. definitely not dark green

 

[Aziqbal]

or theres no alternative.

guess we'll never know.

agreed that there was no alternative but in the end its for the better