Z-10 ME/P deliveries Updates: Pakistan Army Aviation.

[Asfandyar Bhittani]

Maintain - not produce.
You don’t want to ship Z-10s everytime it’s more than a line replacement issue to China.

Well that was a given considering the size of the fleet we are supposed to be getting. There will always be one or two undergoing repairs and such.

Reading the tweet I thought we might be getting some level of production line going like the Thunder split or like those new subs

 

[Lion]

Well that was a given considering the size of the fleet we are supposed to be getting. There will always be one or two undergoing repairs and such.

Reading the tweet I thought we might be getting some level of production line going like the Thunder split or like those new subs

Haven’t heard of any plans for local production or even spare parts production, just the basic local maintenance that comes with any platform. I’m sure if they serve long enough PAC or another firm will get pretty accustomed to fabricating and maintaining parts for these, much as they did with F-16s, Mirages and AH-1s even without licenses and ToT.

 

[rafale]

Haven’t heard of any plans for local production or even spare parts production, just the basic local maintenance that comes with any platform. I’m sure if they serve long enough PAC or another firm will get pretty accustomed to fabricating and maintaining parts for these, much as they did with F-16s, Mirages and AH-1s even without licenses and ToT.

The parts you will able to fabricate locally will be of very low value. Better to order them in bulk anyway.

Most parts are specialized and require specialized tooling, which would be an expensive Capital expenditure to setup.

You can do some sheet metal work, but for things like servos, gear box, engine components which require high level of metallurgy and machining, it will be cheaper to import.

Pakistan doesn't have that level of market to justify the cost unless the same tooling/machines are used to make parts for other industries as well.

 

[Zarvan]

From 0 to Hussain Haqqani, how true/false is this?

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Depends if the twitter account is being operated from China than yes it's true. These accounts are run and approved from the top in China and share news with their permission.

 

[corven]

Depends if the twitter account is being operated from China than yes it's true. These accounts are run and approved from the top in China and share news with their permission.

You're overthinking this. That's not the case at all. Many Twitter accounts are spontaneous, have nothing to do with the Chinese government, and are not official in any way.

 

[Waz]

Brothers keep the F7 and Rose Mirage jets discussion of this. Thank you.

 

[Boss]

Haven’t heard of any plans for local production or even spare parts production, just the basic local maintenance that comes with any platform. I’m sure if they serve long enough PAC or another firm will get pretty accustomed to fabricating and maintaining parts for these, much as they did with F-16s, Mirages and AH-1s even without licenses and ToT.

A brand new large facility is coming up at the old Fateh Jang airfield. A new runway has already been constructed. New very large sheds are under construction. The runway is too short for jets so I assumed that it might be for UAVs (the original runway was used by NDC for testing UAVs) (See my post in the UAV section) but with this new rumor, it might very well be a helicopter manufacturing facility.

 

[GriffinsRule]

A brand new large facility is coming up at the old Fateh Jang airfield. A new runway has already been constructed. New very large sheds are under construction. The runway is too short for jets so I assumed that it might be for UAVs (the original runway was used by NDC for testing UAVs) (See my post in the UAV section) but with this new rumor, it might very well be a helicopter manufacturing facility.

It does look pretty substantial in size on Google Earth. Definitely some sort of manufacturing or overhaul facility.

 

[farooqbhai]

A brand new large facility is coming up at the old Fateh Jang airfield. A new runway has already been constructed. New very large sheds are under construction. The runway is too short for jets so I assumed that it might be for UAVs (the original runway was used by NDC for testing UAVs) (See my post in the UAV section) but with this new rumor, it might very well be a helicopter manufacturing facility.

Not for helos.

 

[Lion]

A brand new large facility is coming up at the old Fateh Jang airfield. A new runway has already been constructed. New very large sheds are under construction. The runway is too short for jets so I assumed that it might be for UAVs (the original runway was used by NDC for testing UAVs) (See my post in the UAV section) but with this new rumor, it might very well be a helicopter manufacturing facility.

As Farooq Said, it’s not for Helos, it’s been known about for some time now and started construction well before the helicopter deal.

 

[RajaBaja]

If we ever reach a point where we have to pull A-5s out of storage then we would already be doomed by that point. Also fighter jets are not something that unless kept in some degree of working condition can be just pulled out and be used and I very much doubt PAF is using resources to keep A-5s and F-7s in working condition.

Same thing will happen to the cobra's as they are eventually retired.

AMARG or the "bone yard" is where US military keeps nearly 5000 aircraft that have "died" in some capacity. Whether they've run half their service life, or barely used (like Pakistan's embargoes F-16's), or replaced by a more capable jet (F-4's case) etc. These are also "RESERVES" for a WWIII scenario, where if America loses majority of its frontline fleet through attrition, it can start to pull fighter out of this graveyard and with little effort, put them back into wars.

Pakistan needs a similar approach for reserves. As our economy grows and we can afford more weapons, fighters that are capable and have some life left (like older F-16 block 15's, upgraded Mirages, etc), should be early retired to maintain reserves. A-5's and F-7's are gen 2 jets, can't really do a whole lot with BVR combat.

 

[studsmart]

As Farooq Said, it’s not for Helos, it’s been known about for some time now and started construction well before the helicopter deal.

What is it for ? Any idea ?

 

[ARMalik]

You're overthinking this. That's not the case at all. Many Twitter accounts are spontaneous, have nothing to do with the Chinese government, and are not official in any way.

Thanks for confirming that you are NOT official. Thank God.

 

[SABRE]

Nope bro.

K-8P can be more handy in anti-drone role. F-7PG is very fast aircraft, designed as interceptor. Not designed to take out slow moving drones.

There is no anti-chopper role. Their choppers won't come unless certain conditions are met. They will operate at very low altitude, in cover of their Air defense. Secondly, how we are going to defend F-7PG if there's any hostile fighter aircraft arrives. Irony is that our top tier aircrafts can take out ANY IAF aircrafts. BUT F-7PG is such an aircraft which is inferior to every IAF aircraft. So PAF would never give such a trophy to the enemy. Losing a jet means losing pilot and airforce prestige, plus giving a morale booster to enemy and a fighter aircraft kill score. You do that only if mission was absolutely critical, could not have achieved by any other means. Here, we are trying to forcefully find the utility for F-7pg and trying to fit it somewhere.

However, I think the only role for F-7PGs is covering airspace at our western borders + keeping the squadron and pilots active. They fly, they practice. Lastly, F-7PGs is very last backup because if a total war erupts and both airforces are nearly destroyed and both are left only with backup planes as old migs and F-7s, only then they will do their bit. Other than that I don't see em as anti-drone or anti-chopper or any role like these..

IMO, its time for both K-8 and F-7PG to go.

 

[Boss]

As Farooq Said, it’s not for Helos, it’s been known about for some time now and started construction well before the helicopter deal.

Construction definitely started after the Z10 ME deal. In any case we will find out in a few months. Definitely not a fast jet facility due to length of the runway. The shed is bigger than the biggest shed at Kamra.