AMCA vs KAAN vs KF-21 India Turkey & Korea’s Fighter Jets Battle For Air Supremacy—Who Leads The Pack? OP-ED

[CallSignMaverick]

So India wanted something similar so they hired Swiss French German engineers to design LCA for them.

You should give a source to support the claim.

 

[Yasser76]

You should give a source to support the claim.

The ADA invited M/s Dassault Aviation for design assistance in developing a lightweight combat aircraft (The Air Force had the Gnat in mind and was looking to replace the Mig-21s). Dassault agreed to support the Project Definition Phase (PDP) wherein the Indian engineers would participate. The aim was to come up with the basic design for the aircraft. The work was carried out in France, using the French facilities.

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[flyingorca]

The ADA invited M/s Dassault Aviation for design assistance in developing a lightweight combat aircraft (The Air Force had the Gnat in mind and was looking to replace the Mig-21s). Dassault agreed to support the Project Definition Phase (PDP) wherein the Indian engineers would participate. The aim was to come up with the basic design for the aircraft. The work was carried out in France, using the French facilities.

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Noooo sAaarrrRr yOU did have to doooo ThAaTt whyy did you redeem iTTT.

 

[CallSignMaverick]

The ADA invited M/s Dassault Aviation for design assistance in developing a lightweight combat aircraft (The Air Force had the Gnat in mind and was looking to replace the Mig-21s). Dassault agreed to support the Project Definition Phase (PDP) wherein the Indian engineers would participate. The aim was to come up with the basic design for the aircraft. The work was carried out in France, using the French facilities.

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Project definition phase doesn't mean designing of entire final aircraft. ADA did the PDP for AMCA by 2014, we all know how much the design has evolved and changed from then.


LCA's PDP was done in 1989, with multiple concept designs being studied. And this isn't the evidence for swiss, german and other engineers being involved or it being a copy of the swiss plane he's talking about. Now don't tell me they designed the entirety of Naval Tejas as well which is completely different from air force one.

A Detailed Look At The Design Evolution Of India’s Naval-LCA Mk1 Fighter | Delhi Defence Review

delhidefencereview.com

I used Marut as an example.
As for Tejas, of course you need one person to get all the design credit and Indians being pathological liars, they will never give credit to real european designers. Just have them sign NDA and take all their credits.
Does this not look LCA MK2?
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From which angle this resembles LCA mk2?

 

[flyingorca]

Not Carver was not EU design for SAAF, Its totally indigenous design by South Africa May be inspired by some EU designs like Mirage 4000 but inspiration and based on are two different things

Can I says Chinese J-20 is based on canceled Russian design of MIG 1.42 and J-35 is based on American F-35 design? think before you're posting lol

South African Cheeta was a customized export version of Israeli Kafir. Design wise its literally an addition of canards and bigger nose cone. And so you are telling me the same South African company Designed a whole new generation fighter jet all by themselves? Very convincing.

As for J20 and Mig 1.42 did you even do a side by side comparison? Even though China may have received assistant from western and Russian sources but Mig 1.42 aint it. Plus, China's speciality is not innovative Designs and they mainly focus on internal technologies which has surpassed Russian. Their 15 year old PL15 missile with their export version of 2nd tier fighter jet just recently shot down Europe's best fighter jet and Russian origin Su30 flanker. Now imagine what J50 or J36 will do to IAF.

 

[flyingorca]

Blah blah blah. Keep pivoting from one topic to another when one fails.

Keep pating yourself on the back when your arguments fall apart.

 

[flyingorca]

Project definition phase doesn't mean designing of entire final aircraft. ADA did the PDP for AMCA by 2014, we all know how much the design has evolved and changed from then.
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LCA's PDP was done in 1989, with multiple concept designs being studied. And this isn't the evidence for swiss, german and other engineers being involved or it being a copy of the swiss plane he's talking about. Now don't tell me they designed the entirety of Naval Tejas as well which is completely different from air force one.

A Detailed Look At The Design Evolution Of India’s Naval-LCA Mk1 Fighter | Delhi Defence Review

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From which angle this resembles LCA mk2?
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lets see, both are small size aircrafts, both have canards both have cranked delta wing both have similar air intake placement etc.
All you indians failed to grasp my point which is, LCA is not a copy. Its simply european technology according to indian specification under technology of transfer with alots of inhouse assistance from european engineers, contractors, and consultants. And of course they were asked to sign NDA so India gets to have all the credit because its a very fragile egoistic society.

Btw, do you wonder why Arjun, Dhruv, LCA, AMCA etc have western design features and not Russian?

 

[CallSignMaverick]

lets see, both are small size aircrafts, both have canards both have cranked delta wing both have similar air intake placement etc.

Similar looking doesn't mean they share the same origin. This is the same "5th gen aircrafts looking same" concept.

All you indians failed to grasp my point which is, LCA is not a copy. Its simply european technology according to indian specification under technology of transfer with alots of inhouse assistance from european engineers, contractors, and consultants.

Why would anyone sell technology, and where is the contract for design? Project definition phase isn't designing whole aircraft, which is why i asked for a source. Don't tell me europeans designed a naval variant and gave a transfer of tech for it as well, because it is completely different from air force one and it's design and development went simultaneously.

And of course they were asked to sign NDA so India gets to have all the credit because its a very fragile egoistic society.

That's what you think

Btw, do you wonder why Arjun, Dhruv, LCA, AMCA etc have western design features and not Russian?

Because Russian equipment couldn't catch up with the west, and Indian military no longer likes them apart from missile tech, which is why many older Indian missiles have Russian features.

 

[Yasser76]

Project definition phase doesn't mean designing of entire final aircraft. ADA did the PDP for AMCA by 2014, we all know how much the design has evolved and changed from then.
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LCA's PDP was done in 1989, with multiple concept designs being studied. And this isn't the evidence for swiss, german and other engineers being involved or it being a copy of the swiss plane he's talking about. Now don't tell me they designed the entirety of Naval Tejas as well which is completely different from air force one.

A Detailed Look At The Design Evolution Of India’s Naval-LCA Mk1 Fighter | Delhi Defence Review

delhidefencereview.com

From which angle this resembles LCA mk2?
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Play with words for as long as you want, the link shows French were involved when you were denying it. Really is very simple

 

[CallSignMaverick]

Play with words for as long as you want, the link shows French were involved when you were denying it. Really is very simple

That's your confirmation bias

 

[Yasser76]

That's your confirmation bias

No, it's English language, tragically for your wave of lies people can read

"The work was carried out in France, using the French facilities"

 

[CallSignMaverick]

No, it's English language, tragically for your wave of lies people can read

"The work was carried out in France, using the French facilities"

For project definition phase. Maybe read what i posted above about what it is.

 

[Yasser76]

For project definition phase. Maybe read what i posted above about what it is.

Yup, French helped with project definition phase, ergo they helped create the LCA design.

English not your strong point?

 

[Vikramaditya1]

Keep pating yourself on the back when your arguments fall apart.

Do keep whining about Western consultants when we make 4th and fifth gen jets while you wait to revet the next set of Chinese junk.

 

[Yasser76]

Do keep whining about Western consultants when we make 4th and fifth gen jets while you wait to revet the next set of Chinese junk.

If Chinese junk downs Rafales, hope we keep getting more junk.

Your ignorance is only matched by your severe cope...