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[Samlee]

I Have Been Very Vocal Over The Non Power Use Of Coal But It Has More Often Than Not Fallen On Deaf Ears.

Fact Is Most People Don't Realize That Thar Lignite Is A Very Versatile Material.

Not Just SNG,We Should Concentrate More On Synthetic Crude Oil Or Syncrude,Diesel Gasoline Or Jet Fuel

Catalytic Hydro-liquefaction Of Lignite Coals Under Mild Conditions

A low-cost thermo-chemical process for the liquefaction of lignite coals is being developed at the University of Texas at Arlington (UTA). The coal-toliquids (CTL) project has focused of developing a liquefaction process which is made economically attractive by the combination of using a cheap...

mavmatrix.uta.edu

Now With 175 Billion Tons Of Thar Coal If We Take Out The 50% Moisture We 87.5 Billion Tons Left and 87.5 Times 4.5 Equals 393.75 Billion Barrel Virtual Oilfield With The ABove Mentioned Technology.Saudi Arabia Who We Beg For Deferred Oil Has Only 260 to 270 Billion Barrels.Being ABle To Produce Our Own Oil At $40 TO $50 per Barrel Means Bye IMF Bye Bye Painful Austerity Hello 6% GDP Growth Per Annum

Heck We Can Go Produce Direct Products From Coal

Clean Diesel from Coal

A novel catalytic method could let you fill up your tank with coal-derived diesel, cutting U.S. dependence on foreign oil.

www.technologyreview.com

Clean Coal to Gasoline Process (CCTG) | TransGas Development Systems

www.transgasdevelopment.com

China Energy Successfully Develops Coal-based Diesel Fuel

Sky Is The Limit

 

[VCheng]

393.75 Billion Barrel Virtual Oilfield

Wow. At $75 dollars per barrel, that is almost $29 TRILLION dollars, divided by 350 million Pakistanis is almost $83,000 per person, or about sawa do karoor.

Maujan hee maujan!

 

[Oscar]

Wow. At $75 dollars per barrel, that is almost $29 TRILLION dollars, divided by 350 million Pakistanis is almost $83,000 per person, or about sawa do karoor.

Maujan hee maujan!

The biggest issue to me isnt the science - it is the execution of it.
There is simply neither the ground for SMEs on the subject, nor the resources needed to execute such a project(provided they can even prove ROI) and then most importantly a guaranteed transfer of technology and regular sustenance of the project.

All things which I find little evidence for being able to grow/import/thrive in Pakistan. Not the issue of dearth of smart Pakistanis - just few of them want to stick around and even fewer will get support from official channels and nobody will then have the will to continue after undertaking all those battles.

 

[rafale]

That's not wasted. That's proper usage.

No it isn't.

ADNOC operates one of the largest Gas fields in the world, but they instead export it as LNG and not waste burning in homes....their own employees get discounted LPG instead.

Same in Qatar.

See, this is what people without technical industrial backgrounds or basic science don't understand.

Methane/Ethane is not just a heating source to be wasted in warming water in your geysers and making chai and roti.........it is CH4.....which can be used to strip into Hydrogen to make ammonia and fertilizer. This is called 'feedstock'.
Similarly, since Gas Turbines are a lot more efficient to burn methane in combined cycle mode, you can produce electricity from it and then use that cheaper electricity to electrify your economy and heating needs. Just look at the Energy Price of local gas power plants and compare with imported oil/coal/gas plants.

Ethylene/Propylene is produced from various natural gases which is then used to produce plethora of plastics and petro chemicals.

So wasting it on making food and warming water in domestic homes, is just sheer stupidity. If you have abundant natural gas, you use it to develop your economy not waste it.

This is why when the first gas fields in Sindh were discovered by Esso geologists back in late 1950s, they promptly proceeded to setup world class fertilizer plants in the region.........and as per many who were witness to the undertaking at the time, US and Foreign engineers were shocked that Pakistanis would waste large gas fields such as Sui, Qadirpur, Sehwan, Kadhanwari etc on piping it to homes and not utilize to set up our petrochemical industry.

 

[mythbuster]

The biggest issue to me isnt the science - it is the execution of it.
There is simply neither the ground for SMEs on the subject, nor the resources needed to execute such a project(provided they can even prove ROI) and then most importantly a guaranteed transfer of technology and regular sustenance of the project.

All things which I find little evidence for being able to grow/import/thrive in Pakistan. Not the issue of dearth of smart Pakistanis - just few of them want to stick around and even fewer will get support from official channels and nobody will then have the will to continue after undertaking all those battles.

Oscar , most of our big corporations are loaded with cash , they are looking for viable investment opportunities....our banks are also loaded with cash and reserves , easy money making ways by giving loan to government on high interest rates are over .... the banks have no choice but to lend money to private sector.,... technology is not a problem as long as you can pay for it.

 

[mythbuster]

No it isn't.

ADNOC operates one of the largest Gas fields in the world, but they instead export it as LNG and not waste burning in homes....their own employees get discounted LPG instead.

Same in Qatar.

See, this is what people without technical industrial backgrounds or basic science don't understand.

Methane/Ethane is not just a heating source to be wasted in warming water in your geysers and making chai and roti.........it is CH4.....which can be used to strip into Hydrogen to make ammonia and fertilizer. This is called 'feedstock'.
Similarly, since Gas Turbines are a lot more efficient to burn methane in combined cycle mode, you can produce electricity from it and then use that cheaper electricity to electrify your economy and heating needs. Just look at the Energy Price of local gas power plants and compare with imported oil/coal/gas plants.

Ethylene/Propylene is produced from various natural gases which is then used to produce plethora of plastics and petro chemicals.

So wasting it on making food and warming water in domestic homes, is just sheer stupidity. If you have abundant natural gas, you use it to develop your economy not waste it.

This is why when the first gas fields in Sindh were discovered by Esso geologists back in late 1950s, they promptly proceeded to setup world class fertilizer plants in the region.........and as per many who were witness to the undertaking at the time, US and Foreign engineers were shocked that Pakistanis would waste large gas fields such as Sui, Qadirpur, Sehwan, Kadhanwari etc on piping it to homes and not utilize to set up our petrochemical industry.

We missed many opportunities.... let's hope not this time.

 

[Samlee]

Wow. At $75 dollars per barrel, that is almost $29 TRILLION dollars, divided by 350 million Pakistanis is almost $83,000 per person, or about sawa do karoor.

Maujan hee maujan!

I Had Managed To Talk To An Advisor Government of SIndh In This Regard Who Was Also A Former DG BoI.He Wholeheartedly Agreed and Also Managed To Hook Me Up With An American Investor.

But Alas Our Bureaucratic Corridors Are Where Dreams Go To Die.

I Talked On This Back In The Old Forum From Time To Time

Thar Coal and The Magic That We Can Do

By The End Of This Year Hopefully, The Third Phase of Block 2 Thar Coal Will Be Completed After Which The Capacity Will Increase to 12.2 Million tons per Annum from the existing 7.6 MTPA This Will Reduce The Cost of Coal to $27/ton. Although It Is Planned To Supply This Excess Amount To Lucky...

defence.pk

 

[Samlee]

No, that is not what I said. Pakistan has tried to do this before, without much to show for it. That is all.

You Must Be Talking About The UCG Project Right???I Am Eye Witness To It ,And How Dr Samar Appropriated Someone Else's Research For His Own Glory

 

[mulj]

This gas if produced will be used for manufacturing fertiliser , if you look at the project at it's entirety it's very feasible and cost effective.

exactly, other chemicals extracted from coal add value to the gas itself, so there is economy to work on it, problem is investment in overall process is high.

 

[jamal18]

No it isn't.

ADNOC operates one of the largest Gas fields in the world, but they instead export it as LNG and not waste burning in homes....their own employees get discounted LPG instead.

Same in Qatar.

See, this is what people without technical industrial backgrounds or basic science don't understand.

Methane/Ethane is not just a heating source to be wasted in warming water in your geysers and making chai and roti.........it is CH4.....which can be used to strip into Hydrogen to make ammonia and fertilizer. This is called 'feedstock'.
Similarly, since Gas Turbines are a lot more efficient to burn methane in combined cycle mode, you can produce electricity from it and then use that cheaper electricity to electrify your economy and heating needs. Just look at the Energy Price of local gas power plants and compare with imported oil/coal/gas plants.

Ethylene/Propylene is produced from various natural gases which is then used to produce plethora of plastics and petro chemicals.

So wasting it on making food and warming water in domestic homes, is just sheer stupidity. If you have abundant natural gas, you use it to develop your economy not waste it.

This is why when the first gas fields in Sindh were discovered by Esso geologists back in late 1950s, they promptly proceeded to setup world class fertilizer plants in the region.........and as per many who were witness to the undertaking at the time, US and Foreign engineers were shocked that Pakistanis would waste large gas fields such as Sui, Qadirpur, Sehwan, Kadhanwari etc on piping it to homes and not utilize to set up our petrochemical industry.

Ok, I don't understand.

Why do so many countries including the UK, use gas for heating and cooking?

 

[mulj]

Ok, I don't understand.

Why do so many countries including the UK, use gas for heating and cooking?

they have money and sophisticated infrastructure and are post industrial state.

 

[Samlee]

What is the moderators obsession with merging threads

 

[hydrabadi_arab]

What is the moderators obsession with merging threads

yeah its stupid, economic section is dead

 

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[VCheng]

The biggest issue to me isnt the science - it is the execution of it.

It is both, IMO. What we think is sound science is not it actually is, quite often.

After all, Pakistan is the land of Agha Waqar Engineer, and all those who supported his claims, right up to "eminent scientists".

The rot is through and through, from the bottom to the top. The steel hull has all flaked away, and all that is left is the layers upon layers of paint.

And we like it that way.