Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[mangekyo]

also they did maintain that and its not a illusion , i am sorry you are delusional if you think killing 28 of their civilians did anything when they wiped out your entire commands and killed 1000 people

That is an absurd claim. It does not matter how many people they kill abroad if their own population is watching buildings inside Israel being hit and destroyed. How is that maintaining the illusion divine protection? If the illusion were intact, people would not have started fleeing or panicking. You cannot project invincibility while your own citizens are rushing to shelters and seeing entire complexes reduced to rubble in their own cities.

 

[Hassan Al-Somal]

also they did maintain that and its not a illusion , i am sorry you are delusional if you think killing 28 of their civilians did anything when they wiped out your entire commands and killed 1000 people

Their casualty is far higher than 28 killed. They censured the real casualties and damages, especially the one suffered by their military and intelligence services.

 

[Hassan Al-Somal]

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[Arash]

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Biggest lies ever....... the U.S. didn't want to enter war because of the risk of getting in another enduring quagmire + economic fallout (Hormuz) + risks of Iranian strikes against its regional bases and carriers... hence the show with so called strikes on Fordow

 

[Hassan Al-Somal]

Contradicting reports by Tasnim News Agency, Iran’s government spokesperson Fatemeh Mohajerani confirmed that Tehran has received messages from the United States regarding the possible resumption of nuclear negotiations.

“The Iranian Foreign Ministry has received messages from the US about restarting the nuclear talks,” Mohajerani said, adding that “further details about the nature and content of these messages will be shared at an appropriate time.”

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[Shafagh]

Round 2 perhaps.

I guess I was wrong.

—️/ BREAKING: The Iraqi Minister of Defense announces that he was contacted by U.S. Secretary of War Pete Hegseth about an 'impending military operation' in the region, warning him that Iraqi Shiite resistance factions should not respond to any U.S. act

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[kastor ville]

I know most of you don't live in the US, but believe me when I say this....this is a seismic shift for US-Israeli relations.

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[Persian Gulf]

Biggest lies ever....... the U.S. didn't want to enter war because of the risk of getting in another enduring quagmire + economic fallout (Hormuz) + risks of Iranian strikes against its regional bases and carriers... hence the show with so called strikes on Fordow

show? satellite imagery shows Iran blocked the entrances and has made no attempt to remove the rubble or restore access to Fordow, not even to some of the above ground access roads.

and they attacked Natanz too, by the way. ironically Israel did not even attempt to strike the underground enrichment facilities at Natanz or Fordow, the US destroyed them both instead.

 

[Shafagh]

show? satellite imagery shows Iran blocked the entrances and has made no attempt to remove the rubble or restore access to Fordow, not even to some of the above ground access roads.

and they attacked Natanz too, by the way. ironically Israel did not even attempt to strike the underground enrichment facilities at Natanz or Fordow, the US destroyed them both instead.

No U.S. politician would leave Israel on their own in this situation. It would be political suicide. Just like the cruise missile attack on Syria, Trump launched an attack just for optics. He even gave Iran time to evacuate everything.

We cannot expect an American leader who wants overtures with Iran to pull a 180 on Israel. That doesn't mean all of them actually want a war or regime change with Iran.

 

[kastor ville]

show? satellite imagery shows Iran blocked the entrances and has made no attempt to remove the rubble or restore access to Fordow, not even to some of the above ground access roads.

and they attacked Natanz too, by the way. ironically Israel did not even attempt to strike the underground enrichment facilities at Natanz or Fordow, the US destroyed them both instead.

I'm not trolling but why would Iran dig out the enternaces now? What would be the strategic benefit at this time?

Why would Iran give up the ambiguity that was the only ancillary benefit from the 12 day war?

As soon as they dig out...guess who will come knocking? Yep..the IAEA...the same IAEA that laid the groundwork for the attack to begin with.
Nope....that lack of work is no indication of anything.....if anything it's a chess move, till we figure out what we can do.

 

[Persian Gulf]

I'm not trolling but why would Iran dig out the enternaces now? What would be the strategic benefit at this time?

Why would Iran give up the ambiguity that was the only ancillary benefit from the 12 day war?

As soon as they dig out...guess who will come knocking? Yep..the IAEA...the same IAEA that laid the groundwork for the attack to begin with.
Nope....that lack of work is no indication of anything.....if anything it's a chess move, till we figure out what we can do.

what ambiguity? it just shows the site is inactive and not being used. which was Israel's objective.

 

[kastor ville]

what ambiguity? it just shows the site is inactive and not being used. which was Israel's objective.

On the surface that's what it may seem like...but you don't know. At least I can quote the foreign minister about why the IAEA can't go to the site, and cite a few clues about upcoming talks...etc.
All you have is an opinion. How many times have you recalibrated your stance on the 12 day war?
Some of us said we did inflict a lot of damage on Israel....some of us said that's why they sued for peace after 12 days, but you naysayers kept saying they meant to only have war for 12 days...
Some of us said the idea was to pull the US into the war and turn Iran into a failed state...when that didn't happen...Israel was shocked and worried and they sued for peace immediately. But again you and others shotdown that theory.....
From where I'm sitting you have a very weak batting average.

 

[Persian Gulf]

On the surface that's what it may seem like...but you don't know.

we know from satellite imagery that access to Fordow is blocked and IRI has not made any attempt to access it. are you trying to argue that enrichment continues there somehow? lol

 

[kastor ville]

we know from satellite imagery that access to Fordow is blocked and IRI has not made any attempt to access it. are you trying to argue that enrichment continues there somehow? lol

Nobody said anything about enrichement .....but for the record I am saying we're sitting on 450 kilos (if not more) of enriched uranium...that was not destroyed. That my little friend is the ambiguity leverage I was talking about.
And yes, the debate is raging on in Iran with some factions waiting for the old man to die.....and then his edict will be revisited.

 

[Persian Gulf]

Nobody said anything about enrichement .....but for the record I am saying we're sitting on 450 kilos (if not more) of enriched uranium...that was not destroyed. That my little friend is the ambiguity leverage I was talking about.
And yes, the debate is raging on in Iran with some factions waiting for the old man to die.....and then his edict will be revisited.

well even if Iran has access to that HEU (which I doubt but I concede is possible) they still need to enrich it to 90% somewhere and losing both known enrichment facilities and other key facilities in the nuclear chain sets that process back a long time