PTI News, Updates and Discussion

[Pakistanithinktank]

Let me make a suggestion:

Let us recognize this incident, whatever it may be, as part of legitimate PTI's right to political protest as long as it is not disruptive to other people's lives.

If the incident is truly so horrendous as some are claiming, then of course it will motivate enough people to come out in support of PTI and what it wants to achieve.

If this incident is overblown, then it will fizzle out by itself.

We have seen that happen multiple times before. Let PTI make yet another attempt, and we can wait for actual results this time as well.

Why argue with those whose minds are already made up?

Every Pakistani deserves the dignity of basic human rights, but under establishment rule that hope feels out of reach. Ordinary families already struggle to put food on the table, and now with the 28th, 29th, and 30th amendments hanging over them, the fear is that life will only get harder.

The poor will be chained to endless taxes and rising prices, working day and night just to survive, while the elite continue to live comfortably, untouched by the burdens ordinary citizens carry. It’s heartbreaking to see a nation where the people feel enslaved in their own homeland, paying the price for decisions they never made.

 

[Forsvaret]

welcome to the light.

Welcome to

 

[newb3e]

Agreed. Let PTI show how many people it can motivate to support what it is trying to do. After all, past claims for large numbers of people killed turned out to be utterly false.

Now those actual results would be far more cute!

wow how cute i am sure you also deny muredke massacre if you deny 26th nov!

and look at you arguing about number of murdered even if 1 was murdered its still a crime...you support a criminal cutiepie!

 

[F.O.X]

Wow... he was stupid and all his decisions were so stupid... yet all they can muster against him is discussing menstrual cycles of his wife or a watch... Guess who's who.

Can you please tell me what legal authority allowed Imran Khan to appoint his own wife, Bushra Bibi, as a trustee of the £190 million Al Qadir Trust?

 

[newb3e]

Every Pakistani deserves the dignity of basic human rights, but under establishment rule that hope feels out of reach. Ordinary families already struggle to put food on the table, and now with the 28th, 29th, and 30th amendments hanging over them, the fear is that life will only get harder.

The poor will be chained to endless taxes and rising prices, working day and night just to survive, while the elite continue to live comfortably, untouched by the burdens ordinary citizens carry. It’s heartbreaking to see a nation where the people feel enslaved in their own homeland, paying the price for decisions they never made.

nope this cutie doesnt care about others as long as haram flows from khaki mafia to them!

 

[VCheng]

With due respect sir, the actual results were outcome of last elections.

Okay, but what has PTI been able to do about it? Not much, which makes their claims of widespread public support ring quite hollow.

 

[muz]

Last protest by PTI in Nov ‘24 resulted in scores of deaths when security officials were using live rounds.

Nothing happened then, nothing will happen now.

This is Pakistan.

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[Meengla]

It was a blunder, Bajwa initially opposed any NCM but Pdm and Fazlur Rehman were not listening, they were too making phone calls to Bajwa and screaming we will remove IK from power since he has lost the majority, finally Bajwa took his hand away from IK and the rest Zardari and Nawaz did. Pmln wanted revenge for Nawaz removal. Bajwa afterwards tried to contact IK but Khan refused to speak or engage with the establishment. Everything from then onwards went Toxic and downhill, especially anti military propaganda and attacks, the plan to crash the whole system down, encouraging mutiny etc. Keep in mind Pmlq, Bap, Mqm and atleast 30MNAs were willing to change sides, Jahangir Tareen and Aleem Khan were working extra hard to take PTI MNAs, so in reality IK did loose the majority.

Imran never had the majority. Why don't people here realize that while millions might have voted for him, millions also vote for other parties! Never a ruling party in Pakistan got even the 40% polled votes. Not even ZAB.
But the account of the event in your post are generally correct. Encouraging a mutiny was utter stupidity and political suicide and for that the erstwhile No. 2 most powerful person in Pakistan is facing a Court Martial!

 

[VCheng]

even if 1 was murdered its still a crime

Yes, but claiming that hundreds were killed is a crime as well just to incite chaos.

 

[VCheng]

You mean that "drama" which later turned out to be true

LOL. Already debunked. The cipher was never released, other than the piece of paper waved around by IK. Pathetic.

 

[F.O.X]

LOL. Already debunked. The cipher was never released, other than the piece of paper waved around by IK. Pathetic.

there is no point in arguing with cultists.

 

[VCheng]

Every Pakistani deserves the dignity of basic human rights, but under establishment rule that hope feels out of reach. Ordinary families already struggle to put food on the table, and now with the 28th, 29th, and 30th amendments hanging over them, the fear is that life will only get harder.

The poor will be chained to endless taxes and rising prices, working day and night just to survive, while the elite continue to live comfortably, untouched by the burdens ordinary citizens carry. It’s heartbreaking to see a nation where the people feel enslaved in their own homeland, paying the price for decisions they never made.

Well, even in light of everything you have said above, if the people do not actually do anything to change any of it, then by default they are accepting of their lives.

After all, it is basic human nature to change what bothers them enough, and accept what they find comfortable enough.

 

[PakAl]

The politician's fight to be in military's lap has been going on for a very long time. The problem is the existence of that "lap" in the first place - for IK the bigger problem became that the "lap" now belongs to a person who IK had mistreated previously - so this time it's more than just political, it's personal (like Gen Musharraf with NS)

Or Nawaz Sharif v Raheel Sharif, even though Raheel Sharif was a top patriotic general. Nawaz wanted a piece of Mushraff which Raheel Sharif opposed, this then led to many others issues, Dawn leaks, Geo attack on Raheel Sharif, refusal to support military operations etc. Asim Munir fixed everything, now any new government or PM will be toothless. People can hate Rana Sanullah but he mentioned this a few times, he said IK is taking us to a place of no return, this will lead to chaos, later on he mentioned either Imran Khan will survive or Us. All this lead to the military intervention and now Asim Munir is making sure the future PMs and governments are toothless in terms of challenging military led decisions. Pdm is also trapped, they have no choice but to give away power in order to stay relevant or else everyone will be finished.

Even in the Usa or UK which everyone considers as role model stable nations have politicians sitting on the elite and establishment laps. But these countries are advanced stage so we don't even find out what is happening behind the scenes, their politicians come and go after 5 years, they have no real power making decisions. In the UK brexit led to chaos and the Queen had to intervene, she came to the parliament and confirmed UK will leave Europe, she could have announced a revote etc but announced the decision. All the MPs, and even PM were standing in front of her. She showed the MPs and MP that the Queen is the state, she is the establishment and the boss.

If this was Pakistan we be screaming our heads off, how dare an unelected person order the MPs or PM, making propaganda etc.

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[VCheng]

there is no point in arguing with cultists.

It is okay. I am not arguing. One can at least present the truth calmly and rationally, not to convince those who refuse to see reality, but to let others make up their own minds.

 

[Forsvaret]

LOL. Already debunked. The cipher was never released, other than the piece of paper waved around by IK. Pathetic.

Lol. The cipher was later released by your US investigative publication The Intercept. Here you can read it yourself. Pathetic:

Leaked Cipher Shows US Removed Imran Khan In A Regime Change Operation , Claims Investigative Agency,The Intercept. - The Pakistan Frontier

The Intercept," a US investigative publication claims that it has managed to acquire the details of the cipher.

pakistanfrontier.com