JF-17 - Updates, News & Discussion

[Desprado123]

Someone at AMF.

Can you confirm that Azharbhijan jf 17 inventory is new i mean it is not from our own inventory.

 

[hussain0216]

Can you confirm that Azharbhijan jf 17 inventory is new i mean it is not from our own inventory.

If we gave from our own inventory, we would have nothing left

 

[Ak01]

Can you confirm that Azharbhijan jf 17 inventory is new i mean it is not from our own inventory.

its not, theyre new

 

[Ak01]

Someone at AMF.

yea but we're good at making tall claims we cant back up.

just two years ago we were crying for an alternative source for wiring harnesses from abroad because catic was being funny and we couldnt make them ourselves

 

[Mohid Afzal]

A question for anyone with info, a friend told me that Azerbaijan paid 115 million USD per frame, can anyone confirm or deny it?

 

[Ali_Baba]

A question for anyone with info, a friend told me that Azerbaijan paid 115 million USD per frame, can anyone confirm or deny it?

No way - they paid for a package deal of airframe, training, new support tools and infrastructure, weapons, upfront spare parts and direct support package for the lifetime of the airframe or some set number of years, all blended into one.

 

[Mohid Afzal]

No way - they paid for a package deal of airframe, training, new support tools and infrastructure, weapons, upfront spare parts and direct support package for the lifetime of the airframe or some set number of years, all blended into one.

Thanks, I thought something was off but my friend insists that it's 115 million usd per frame

 

[hasssanali8998]

115 million usd per frame

that's the price for f35A man

 

[Michael]

Thanks, I thought something was off but my friend insists that it's 115 million usd per frame

In the international fighter jet trade, publicly available order information usually only includes the total number of fighter jets and the total contract value. However, a complete contract typically includes not only the fighter jets themselves, but also weapons, spare parts (including engines and other spare components), pilot training, and in some cases, base construction, combat command systems, communication systems, MRO (maintenance, repair, and overhaul), and technology transfer. No contract publicly discloses all the specific details.

Therefore, it is a significant mistake to assess the unit price of a fighter jet based solely on the total contract value and the total number of fighter jets.

 

[Ali_Baba]

Additionally, we are not discussing the possible(real) level of customisation options that Azerbaijan requested as changes to the platform which itself would have taken a time and material basis to make, certify and then get ready for manufacturing.

It is good to see Azerbijan to start to get their birds. Hopefully we can then start to see some part of the manufacturing line dedicated back to PAF orders to help replace the remaining F7PG's and of course, the large remaining fleet of Mirages.

 

[hasssanali8998]

fleet of Mirages.

 

[Yasser76]

more i think about it, the more i suspect Qatar may be the next customer, lots of circumstantial evidence

We have flown JF-17C in exercises with them a lot
they gave up Eurofighters to Turkiye
Israeli strike maybe made them lose some faith in their western set up
still large number of Pak advisors in QAF
qatar being mentioned for Pak-Qatar defence agreement similar to Saudi one


I could be wrong but I am veering to Qatar here

 

[hasssanali8998]

more i think about it, the more i suspect Qatar may be the next customer, lots of circumstantial evidence

We have flown JF-17C in exercises with them a lot
they gave up Eurofighters to Turkiye
Israeli strike maybe made them lose some faith in their western set up
still large number of Pak advisors in QAF
qatar being mentioned for Pak-Qatar defence agreement similar to Saudi one


I could be wrong but I am veering to Qatar here

i think jf17 could be the next mig 21( not in reliability lmao, but in operators ) if we play it smart .

 

[Ali_Baba]

more i think about it, the more i suspect Qatar may be the next customer, lots of circumstantial evidence

We have flown JF-17C in exercises with them a lot
they gave up Eurofighters to Turkiye
Israeli strike maybe made them lose some faith in their western set up
still large number of Pak advisors in QAF
qatar being mentioned for Pak-Qatar defence agreement similar to Saudi one


I could be wrong but I am veering to Qatar here

The restriction on the Pakistan Armed Forces being more "actively" involved in the defence of these middle eastern countries has been the sensitivity of having Pakistani officers having proximity to, or the operation of the latest western systems like the F15/Rafale/F16 Block 60's/Typhoons due to their concern of passage of information to China.

So, as you say, the solution to the multitude of riddles is having Pakistani officers operating Pakistani weapons(JF17C's/J10CE's/J-35A's/Kaan etc) in the middle east itself.

This will help the Americans to eventually leave the middle east ( to the extent Israel will allow them to leave of course ) and for a friendly country to the USA ie Pakistan to fill that void and help the middle east defend themselves. A more favourable outcome then allowing the Indian's to fill the void, but also strategically important as India may become a problem for the USA down the road and Pakistan will never(too small to become that problem), and of course the India-Israel combo will sow more chaos in the middle east as shown in India's help to Israel in the Iran-Israel war this year. The middle east will be far more comfortable working with Pakistan both than 'Modi's' India anyway right now.

The crash of the Tejas is quite symbolic as it in itself, it is the crashing of India's middle east strategy as well as the jet.

Saudi Arabia will be more likely than Iran right now, due to the strategic defence agreement imho. All speculation.

 

[maxpane]

if Behrain is buying so will be other small KSA allied countries