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[Persian Gulf]

Even if you´re wright and IADs it is completely collapsed. Just some Basij with just some Misagh-2 would inevitably shoot down some, for going or turning back. Irán is large, it is not Qatar or Israel.

Also IRGC doctrine it is to operate independent small TELARs, some of them with IR/EO systems capable of scouting and destroying slow moving targets easily.

none of this happened in first 5-7 days of 12 day war so I am not sure what makes you think it would happen in another scenario

 

[Kyussis]

none of this happened in first 5-7 days of 12 day war so I am not sure what makes you think it would happen in another scenario

How do you know for a fact? You write with a lot of "authority" so which was it, 5 days or 7 days?

 

[Persian Gulf]

How do you know for a fact? You write with a lot of "authority" so which was it, 5 days or 7 days?

there is no evidence of Israeli MALE drones being shot down in the first few days of the war

lets start with first three days

if you have evidence of it please present it. I cannot prove a negative, so if you have proof please go ahead rather than nitpicking any post that doesn't fit your 'everything is fine' propaganda narrative

 

[Kyussis]

there is no evidence of Israeli MALE drones being shot down in the first few days of the war

lets start with first three days

if you have evidence of it please present it. I cannot prove a negative, so if you have proof please go ahead rather than nitpicking any post that doesn't fit your 'everything is fine' propaganda narrative

I don't have any evidence but I am also not making bold claims as though I have access to everything that did or did not happen! You yourself just said "in the first 3 days". What happened to your 5-7 days claim from your previous post?

 

[ToddE]

 

[Piet]

Very comprehensive.

Thanks for posting.

Will post my 2 cents worth later today.

Piet

 

[Flotilla]

none of this happened in first 5-7 days of 12 day war so I am not sure what makes you think it would happen in another scenario

During the 12 days war... how many helicopters came to deploy EO troops on the ground?. By definition helo assaults are done in very low flying terrain (see Eagle Claw I).
It is doubtful that even aircraft invaded iranian airspace frequently. If they did it was mostly at night and high altitude.

 

[Persian Gulf]

During the 12 days war... how many helicopters came to deploy EO troops on the ground?. By definition helo assaults are done in very low flying terrain (see Eagle Claw I).
It is doubtful that even aircraft invaded iranian airspace frequently. If they did it was mostly at night and high altitude.

raids in Iran occurred at all times of day

do you think the bombing of SNSC meeting in north Tehran during daylight was carried out by drones?

MALE drones were shot down from several days into the war only. if they cannot shoot down MALE drones it suggests there are not decentralised MANPAD units who can be relied upon at all times

 

[Ali_Baba]

During the 12 days war... how many helicopters came to deploy EO troops on the ground?. By definition helo assaults are done in very low flying terrain (see Eagle Claw I).
It is doubtful that even aircraft invaded iranian airspace frequently. If they did it was mostly at night and high altitude.

The real question is did these helicopters take off from Iraq or Azerbaijan ? There is no way they could have flown directly non-stop from Israel.

 

[Piet]

Very comprehensive.

Thanks for posting.

Will post my 2 cents worth later today.

Piet

Gentleman

Apologies. I will not be able to keep my above promise.

This turned into a more difficult subject than I had anticipated.

Piet

 

[Flotilla]

raids in Iran occurred at all times of day

do you think the bombing of SNSC meeting in north Tehran during daylight was carried out by drones?

MALE drones were shot down from several days into the war only. if they cannot shoot down MALE drones it suggests there are not decentralised MANPAD units who can be relied upon at all times

Actually a MALE like Hermes 900 flies well above the máximum ceiling of the Misagh-2. But a CFT (contour fly terrain) MH60 or something bigger will be suicidal.

 

[Aziqbal]

in the 12 day war I dont think the question was the air defence itself

it was traitors inside and outside (Afghans and Indians ) who were working for MOSSAD for $100 building Spike ATGM and hitting and giving away positions

they also had secure comms to do it

Iran needs to solve this internal issue first

 

[ToddE]

in the 12 day war I dont think the question was the air defence itself

it was traitors inside and outside (Afghans and Indians ) who were working for MOSSAD for $100 building Spike ATGM and hitting and giving away positions

they also had secure comms to do it

Iran needs to solve this internal issue first

Good sensible post.

 

[Piet]

it seems there was a period of 5-7 days where IADS was totally lost and only after that did Iran begin to consistently shoot down MALE drones

5-7 days is enough to land a few stealth helicopters in key areas and leave within a few hours under chaotic conditions

It is improbable that the IADS going down was as a result of Iran's large underground and hardened C&C bases being temporarily (5 -7 days?) put out of service.

The effort to do so could more reasonably be achieved by concentrating on C&C nodes more easily within reach, without having to expend substantial munitions on disabling these bases themselves.

Such as large sensors like OTH, Bi-static, and AEW radar.

I have read somewhere in this thread that 'gaps' in the radar coverage was subsequently addressed by the deployment of ~500km range non-fixed systems. This do not suggest mobile systems as these are generally understood, but rather moveable ones. Which would result in a high-stakes shell game, but would at least alleviate the one-shot dangers that originally took out the large and valuable static radars, i.e. by aerial means or ATGM's fired by internal dissident's.

The danger of an IADS going down for several days (a week?) is that your important and not-so-important military and civilian infrastructure - such as water works - become indefensible sitting ducks. The last I say without any disrespect.

Piet.

 

[Flotilla]

It is improbable that the IADS going down was as a result of Iran's large underground and hardened C&C bases being temporarily (5 -7 days?) put out of service.

AFAIK it was said that IADs entered in "ambush" mode. They were stored and located in areas to ambush the aircrafts when going or coming back from the targets.

The video explicitly talks about "preservation" and how Israel depleted first their aeroballistic missile fleet in first days to degrade the IADs and then using sabotage.

Minute 6:00

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