An Indian Tejas fighter jet crashed during an aerial display at the Dubai Air Show

[Master Chief]

How do you know he is "Colonel Fasih Ahmed " ? Masquerading as Muslim officers is a standard propaganda technique in the Indian electronic media.
There was however a secular era in BOTH Pakistan and India when officers joined their armed forces irrespective of religion.

Pakistan had Parsi and Christian officers, and today in addition to Parsis and Christians has Sikh officers in the Navy and Army, There is least one Hindu pilot in the Pakistani Air Force.

From the mid 1950s to the early 1980s Indian Muslims joined the Indian Armed forces as officers, mostly in the Air Force and Navy. Indian Muslims joined the Indian Army mostly in the technical cadre and medical corps. The Indian Defence Ministry directives do not permit recruitment of Muslims in the combat regiments at the private (jawan), NCO level. The technical non-combat wings such as Electrical Mechanical Engineers may have some lower level Muslim technicians. The legacy "Muslim" regiments inherited from the Pre-Independence Royal Indian Army like the J&K Light Infantry, The Deccan Lancers, have been purged of Muslim soldiers. Even the composite secular 10th Guards no longer have Muslim soldiers, The secular era in India is over.

Indeed. India's "secular" identity is threatened by Muslim military personnel. We recall how Kashmiri armed personnel were quietly stood down and relieved of their weapons by way of direct orders from Delhi whenever "national security" was a concern.

 

[UndercoverJIX]

Haha. I think it's more probable that the machine had an issue because Tejas can't fly stable without the FBW system, the design doesn't allow that - kind of like F-117 Nighthawk - and the way the airframe was a bit unstable and swaying while moving into the maneuver is probably the FBW malfunctioning because that sway can't be a pilot command as he doesn't have direct control over Rudder and Elevons, once the aircraft turned on it's side the pilot only has to maintain the necessary thrust, everything else is calculated and adjusted by the FBW system.

Thank You.

That very initial unstable behaviour i cant inore.

 

[Baibers_1260]

yeaaaa, but when FBW and gazillions of gizmos are there, it limits the Pilot control, and a split second glitch can cause disaster, a very very tiny change in sensors behavioue will kill the pilot and jet at those speeds, while Gizmos will prevent the Pilot from making any correction.

Agree 100% .
This video shows how even when systems fail some pilots manage to save themselves. The Russians seem to be rather good at it. See point 0.19 to 0.36 of the video.

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[hnn]

It doesn't have to be FBW or Hi Tech . Simple competence and KNOWING the aircraft is enough. Provided of course the aircraft has no technical problems and is designed well.
The following example at a community air show of a PRIVATELY owned Mig 17 Fresco performing aerobatics flown by a CIVILIAN pilot is stark. Look at point 4.04 in the video below. The Fresco is just 3 meters from the ground, yet the pilot has full control and pulls safely up.
@hnn @Meengla @PakistanLVR

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Yeah but Tejas is deliberately designed unstable so it can't be flown stable by a human no matter how competent the pilot is. I think India went a bit too ambitious with their first major indigenous aircraft.

 

[TAC]

There are probably dozens, if not hundreds of videos out there of the crash. Really bad optics for India especially after what happened in the recent air war between India and Pakistan and especially what President Trump has been saying about the Indian air force losses in the May 2025 conflict.
Imagine a salesman coming to a Convention Center where there is already stiff competition, trying to sell something--let's say a motorcycle--and during the test ride, the motorcycle's wheels come apart, starts smoking, brakes failing...
Just a crude analogy but equally applicable in this case.

PS. If President Trump says something about this crash then please tag me!

Very true. Pakistan’s sales pitch for J-17 is about its ‘battle tested performance’ and that is getting some traction. What’s India’s pitch for the Tejas going to trumpet? Decades late to the finish line and crashed at an Airshow?

 

[Baibers_1260]

@clutch

Independent of what relationship that UAE may have or not with Israel, there is a massive economic relationship between UAE and IND. Which will always create a somewhat pro IND tilt in UAE diplomacy.

Regards

"We have the money " . The favorite refrain.

Wonder what happened to the "pro-India " tilt of the USA despite the "massive economic relationship " ,

 

[hnn]

Thank You.

That very initial unstable behaviour i cant inore.

BTW I'm still kind of consfuse as to whether you think it's the machine malfunctioning or pilot committing the error lol

What I have understood is that you think it's the machine but don't want that to be true? Correct me if I misunderstood lol

 

[Guynextdoor]

Russian Knights flew a missing man and negative G formation as tribute to the martyred aviator as they finished their show at the Dubai Airshow.

'We Fly For You': Russian Fighter Pilot's Heartfelt Note For Indian Tejas Pilot After Dubai Crash

A moving tribute from a Russian fighter pilot has stirred hearts worldwide after the tragic crash of India’s Tejas fighter jet at the Dubai Airshow 2025 on November 21. Wing Commander Namansh Syal of the Indian Air Force lost his life during a low-altitude aerobatic display when the...

timesofindia.indiatimes.com

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[Meengla]

The only aircraft model in China that has suffered losses exceeding 300 is the J-2 (MIG-15).
In the Korean War, China shot down 1300 to 1600 American fighter jets, lost 345 J-2 (MIG-15) and approximately 200 pilots.
I guess this Indian mistook the Chinese MIG-15 for the J-15.

What I don't understand is this: Between the April 22 Pahalgam attack and the May 7, 2025 Pakistan-India conflict, this forum was discussing the upcoming Indian response. There were already rumors about Turkish cargo planes landing in Pakistan, loaded with drones. There were already rumors about the Chinese PL-15 flown into Pakistan on emergency basis--the main question discussed was: What was the range of those PL-15 and even rookies like were discussing that topic. So how could the Indians miscalculated something which even the rookies in a defense forum were discussing before India had the debacle on May 7?!! What am I missing?!!

 

[TAC]

Indians are blaming the American engine for this crash, they are saying India should stop using American Engine and Make its own. India can not trust America.

Other place some Retd. Air Marshal is saying its sabotage etc.

No one is talking about the poor maintenance and buit quality of Ar Frame and putting jigsaw puzzle of parts acquired from all over the world.

Indian Assembly job failed.

Indians will blame their own mother for giving them birth before they consider that something might actually be their own fault.

 

[hnn]

Agree 100% .
This video shows how even when systems fail some pilots manage to save themselves. The Russians seem to be rather good at it. See point 0.19 to 0.36 of the video.

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Yeah I'm still curious as to why the pilot didn't eject. Perhaps he tried till the end to somehow save the aircraft which would be commendable irrespective of him being part of enemy force.

Also, Tejas doesn't have back up manual override so the pilot can never take manual control over the aircraft if FBW system fails or malfunction. JFT has that manual override, and so does a lot of these Russian aricrafts but that's because their designs are generally stable unlike Tejas.

 

[UndercoverJIX]

BTW I'm still kind of consfuse as to whether you think it's the machine malfunctioning or pilot committing the error lol

What I have understood is that you think it's the machine but don't want that to be true? Correct me if I misunderstood lol

I am 100% blaming the machine.

I am aware of the general openion and stats that 80% Military Jet crashes are associated with Pilot/Human error.

I Fully understand that, just by looking at the video clips it is not wise and ethical to behave like all knowing and behave like I cant be wrong.

So, I stated my strong openion and left it there for everyone to have their own, I am a human and I can be wrong, Which most of the time I am ..lol

In my POV, This behaviour is logical and staying in touch with the reality, instead of living in an imaginary word and passing judgement purily without any Internal Info.

It applied to all fields of life.

 

[Meengla]

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Yup. The crash of Tejas, along with the events on and since the Pakistan-India conflict starting May 7, 2025 are a combined assault on India on many levels. No serious analyst is going to ignore this crash from the events of the last 6 months, including India's diplomatic isolation and Pakistan's geopolitical rise.

 

[Guynextdoor]

Yeah I'm still curious as to why the pilot didn't eject. Perhaps he tried till the end to somehow save the aircraft which would be commendable irrespective of him being part of enemy force.

Also, Tejas doesn't have back up manual override so the pilot can never take manual control over the aircraft if FBW system fails or malfunction. JFT has that manual override, and so does a lot of these Russian aricrafts but that's because their designs are generally stable unlike Tejas.

momentary loss of conscoiusness

 

[UndercoverJIX]

This looks like AI generated photo. Not how the salute is done.

Sir, You are worried about salute here?
If the Officer could not control her emotions, she is crying out of control, Do you think she is worried about her salute allignments?

Its natural.

and we have seen the difference in discipline during the handling of the BOX in UAE and India, Indian Officers were not even able to walk straight holding the Box, all shaky jelly legs.