H-1B visas must end’: Wife of US citizen shares plight of landing IT jobs

[Vikramaditya1]

No matter how many different ways you say it, I don't believe anyone is being convinced by it, more and more people are on the other side.


There is a good chunk that are not high skill but are just jobs Americans could do. Of the coding jobs, it's not as if America has no coders.

And why can't a graduate do a low-to mid-level coding job? Absolutely they can be involved in projects, especially top graduates relative to Indian graduates

Let them cut immigration. But they won't, they can't. People are going to talk a lot then move on to the next hot topic. You're repeating the same things it's pointless to debate. "Jobs are stolen, Americans are talented to do, why do we need coders" it's like talking to a wall. Lol!

 

[Vikramaditya1]

Oh, Phhhlease! I myself had to train a team of Indian 'software engineers' H1Bs to replace me. No doubt they were working for much less $$. It was such an insult!! And I could feel that even those Indians replacing me probably were feeling a little guilty as I was 'orienting' them to the projects and the code. My whole team was gutted except for the Director, who was a white American and I don't think he liked the gutting but he had to worry about his own job. And that was a Fortune 500 company.

You know why it's hard to believe that story? This same story is repeated too many time on Twitter, reddit et al it has become a meme and this trope was debunked multiple times. "I trained my replacement H1B Indian, my entire team was gutted". First and foremost, if you got laid off and you had to train your replacement that'll be national headline 10 years back. That's not how H1Bs are hired. You must first have a contact with your "replacement" who is now in India, train him from India meanwhile the company process the H1B paying huge sums for filing and lawyer fees just to get another bunch of brown face in.

Second, why would they replace your entire team with more expensive H1B Indians who must legally be paid the prevailing wages that is they should be paid whatever you made as per law and a fortune 500 violating such a law sounds extremely unlikely. If you had filed a case or the H1Bs had filed a case again this would've been a national headline and loss of face for a fortune 500.

These H1B horror story has become a meme because how reused and unrealistic they sound.
I'm not saying you're lying maybe you got laid off from your previous jobs but that's not because of H1Bs. Layoffs happen even for H1Bs.

 

[Meengla]

You know why it's hard to believe that story? This same story is repeated too many time on Twitter, reddit et al it has become a meme and this trope was debunked multiple times. "I trained my replacement H1B Indian, my entire team was gutted". First and foremost, if you got laid off and you had to train your replacement that'll be national headline 10 years back. That's not how H1Bs are hired. You must first have a contact with your "replacement" who is now in India, train him from India meanwhile the company process the H1B paying huge sums for filing and lawyer fees just to get another bunch of brown face in.

You may not believe that and I can't say other stories out there are valid or not but that's exactly what happened to my team. My little team, those who survived, were given three months to 'orient' totally new people and from what I can tell they were in America, with thick accents, and they were brought to the company as 'Contractors' from God knows what agency.
And, no, no headlines are made because corps know how bad it would look for them to have done so and so they do carefully, in piecemeal.

 

[r3alist]

Let them cut immigration. But they won't, they can't. People are going to talk a lot then move on to the next hot topic. You're repeating the same things it's pointless to debate. "Jobs are stolen, Americans are talented to do, why do we need coders" it's like talking to a wall. Lol!

I wouldn't describe you as a wall come on

I'm also not doing the talking, Americans are.

If anything, the debate is persisting and getting sharper, but I will concede repetitive
I mentioned earlier, I think the gccs will benefit

 

[r3alist]

You know why it's hard to believe that story? This same story is repeated too many time on Twitter, reddit et al it has become a meme and this trope was debunked multiple times. "I trained my replacement H1B Indian, my entire team was gutted". First and foremost, if you got laid off and you had to train your replacement that'll be national headline 10 years back. That's not how H1Bs are hired. You must first have a contact with your "replacement" who is now in India, train him from India meanwhile the company process the H1B paying huge sums for filing and lawyer fees just to get another bunch of brown face in.

Second, why would they replace your entire team with more expensive H1B Indians who must legally be paid the prevailing wages that is they should be paid whatever you made as per law and a fortune 500 violating such a law sounds extremely unlikely. If you had filed a case or the H1Bs had filed a case again this would've been a national headline and loss of face for a fortune 500.

These H1B horror story has become a meme because how reused and unrealistic they sound.
I'm not saying you're lying maybe you got laid off from your previous jobs but that's not because of H1Bs. Layoffs happen even for H1Bs.

You can't run away from the fact, that at some point there would have been a knowledge transfer from Americans to Indians.

So this happened, it would have been impossible for it not to.

I'm surprised one year in, and obviously I credit you with intelligence, that you are still somewhat tone deaf to the American raised concerns.

 

[Meengla]

You may not believe that and I can't say other stories out there are valid or not but that's exactly what happened to my team. My little team, those who survived, were given three months to 'orient' totally new people and from what I can tell they were in America, with thick accents, and they were brought to the company as 'Contractors' from God knows what agency.
And, no, no headlines are made because corps know how bad it would look for them to have done so and so they do carefully, in piecemeal.

@Vikramaditya1 : My account is 100% authentic and personal. I can't say if other similar accounts are authentic or not. Mine happened in 2018. But I am not too bitter about that because I was given three months to wrap up and to train my replacements and at the end of the three months, I had another, better job already lined up.
As to the Indian H1Bs, in a latter job of a Fortune 60 company, I worked well with my Indian colleagues; they were junior to me and I helped them with whatever I could. But they too were laid off and if I were in a position to help them then, you bet, I would have helped them. They were decent people. Not impressive in skills but working hard and polite. They were-- and probably are--fearful of being 'on the bench'--lest be deported to India after their H1Bs would truly run out.
Geopolitics should not blind us from our humanity.

 

[SoulSpokesman]

@r3alist bro @Meengla sb

that you are still somewhat tone deaf to the American raised concerns.

I don't think we Indians here are tone deaf to the concerns of white Americans here. All we are saying is that we are in a globalised world and corporates who are the biggest players in this world would look to maximise profits. That would mean either importing either cheap labour (H1Bs et al) or shipping jobs to cheap labour elsewhere (Shanghai, Pearl River Delta or Bangalore).

It is about the (apparent) inevitability, not about denial of the economic and psychological loss to the American populace.

Regards

 

[Vikramaditya1]

I wouldn't describe you as a wall come on

I'm also not doing the talking, Americans are.

If anything, the debate is persisting and getting sharper, but I will concede repetitive
I mentioned earlier, I think the gccs will benefit

Let it get sharper heck let them send all of them back. But they won't, so far nothing they demanded has materialized. MTG resigned, this whole debate doesn't make sense. Is it, I can't get my software engineering job? But most Americans don't even pick software engineering to study lest any regular Engineering field. What's the end game here?

GCCs will obviously benefit. But GCCs don't make up a large number of jobs what I think will happen is countries like Canada, Germany, UK, Australia makes it easier for companies to set up centers and bring up an equivalent of their own H1Bs. So far the US acted as a magnet to these talents that deprived a lot of these countries of talented people and only second line migrated to these places be it Chinese, Japanese, Koreans, Eastern Europeans or Indians. All of them are looking to make their own H1B spinoff.

 

[Meengla]

@r3alist bro @Meengla sb

that you are still somewhat tone deaf to the American raised concerns.

I don't think we Indians here are tone deaf to the concerns of white Americans here. All we are saying is that we are in a globalised world and corporates who are the biggest players in this world would look to maximise profits. That would mean either importing either cheap labour (H1Bs et al) or shipping jobs to cheap labour elsewhere (Shanghai, Pearl River Delta or Bangalore).

It is about the (apparent) inevitability, not about denial of the economic and psychological loss to the American populace.

Regards

Well, as I have said many times, I am 'selfishly' only concerned about my own last few years before my retirement and any choke on the H1Bs, benefit me. I am already seeing many job postings on Indeed with more stricter requirements about residency/visa status in America. Works for me!
As to the larger H1B debate: I have said here a few times: Just like water flows downhill due to gravity, the Capital will find a way to cheaper labor, whether in America or abroad. I have not control over that.

 

[Vikramaditya1]

You can't run away from the fact, that at some point there would have been a knowledge transfer from Americans to Indians.

So this happened, it would have been impossible for it not to.

I'm surprised one year in, and obviously I credit you with intelligence, that you are still somewhat tone deaf to the American raised concerns.

I couldn't care any less about American issues. I'm foremost in favour of people building things in India like me. I'm trying hard to keep my CTO from emigrating by paying him premium so much that it's affecting my bottom line lol! Best Engineer I ever met, 24 years old kid, knows practically everything in control system, and that hunger to learn more. He will get whisked away in a second. I had to blackmail his mother with the brown racism getting prevalent in North America and the fact that he is on the darker side of the brown spectrum.

So you see my problem here? I'm no way in favour of H1Bs, I wanted it gutted as much as these people who wants to end migration. But at the end of the day the movement got slowly hijacked by the retarded alt right racists which makes people on the left and right who wants reform not associated with this. The companies wanting H1Bs is a whole different matter.

 

[r3alist]

@r3alist bro @Meengla sb

that you are still somewhat tone deaf to the American raised concerns.

I don't think we Indians here are tone deaf to the concerns of white Americans here. All we are saying is that we are in a globalised world and corporates who are the biggest players in this world would look to maximise profits. That would mean either importing either cheap labour (H1Bs et al) or shipping jobs to cheap labour elsewhere (Shanghai, Pearl River Delta or Bangalore).

It is about the (apparent) inevitability, not about denial of the economic and psychological loss to the American populace.

Regards

Let it get sharper heck let them send all of them back. But they won't, so far nothing they demanded has materialized. MTG resigned, this whole debate doesn't make sense. Is it, I can't get my software engineering job? But most Americans don't even pick software engineering to study lest any regular Engineering field. What's the end game here?

GCCs will obviously benefit. But GCCs don't make up a large number of jobs what I think will happen is countries like Canada, Germany, UK, Australia makes it easier for companies to set up centers and bring up an equivalent of their own H1Bs. So far the US acted as a magnet to these talents that deprived a lot of these countries of talented people and only second line migrated to these places be it Chinese, Japanese, Koreans, Eastern Europeans or Indians. All of them are looking to make their own H1B spinoff.

Ok so if you are not tone deaf then it's basically challenging the Americans, a fight to the last available job, well maga ones.


That's even worse.

I would have thought, after an initial struggle or agitation you might moderate your views.

This approach will make a previously ambivalent American population more focused on Indians, or annoyed. Right or wrong, the day we'll see the opportunity to work in America as a privilege, amusingly the Indians consider their exported workforce to be a privilege for America, apparently almost all of them

 

[SoulSpokesman]

@r3alist bro

I would have thought, after an initial struggle or agitation you might moderate your views.

OK, so what do you want us to say? What would be considered a moderation of views on part of Indians?

Regards

 

[Meengla]

This approach will make a previously ambivalent American population more focused on Indians, or annoyed. Right or wrong, the day we'll see the opportunity to work in America as a privilege, amusingly the Indians consider their exported workforce to be a privilege for America, apparently almost all of them

Indians are found in every corner of the world. They could even be in Svalbard--the northern most larger community in the world in such harsh climate, though I have not Googled that.
But some Indians here giving the Arnab spin of 'come back to India and build India' but you bet Indians know the value of H1Bs and they still put on a Arnab-like false bravado about H1Bs.
They should be more honest and I won't blame them for their honesty.

 

[r3alist]

But at the end of the day the movement got slowly hijacked by the retarded alt right racists which makes people on the left and right who wants reform not associated with this.

But these alt right, anti dei, nativists were your political bedfellows a year ago

The vast majority of Indians, they were all hugely pro trump, before he took office. except things turned out differently and now you say they are racists? This was never a problem before


Not that I am an oracle, but it was very predictable that Indian Americans were running a huge risk of isolating themselves away from the rest of the minorities, and then being viciously discarded from alt-right. A number of factors contribute to this

This segways in to the culture and race discourse, it's quite some achievement to isolate yourself away as your own category, with no apparent ally, certainly not african-americans, who appropriately dominate the minority issues discourse within USA

I don't know what it is, but in the last year the Indian or Indian American identity has faced more hostility than the last 30 years, feels like a button was pressed

 

[r3alist]

@r3alist bro

I would have thought, after an initial struggle or agitation you might moderate your views.

OK, so what do you want us to say? What would be considered a moderation of views on part of Indians?

Regards

What does anyone do when the gig is up?

Take the knock and move on? It is after all jobs in another sovereign nation, the question is do you consider that a privilege or a right?

Indians are found in every corner of the world. They could even be in Svalbard--the northern most larger community in the world in such harsh climate, though I have not Googled that.
But some Indians here giving the Arnab spin of 'come back to India and build India' but you bet Indians know the value of H1Bs and they still put on a Arnab-like false bravado about H1Bs.
They should be more honest and I won't blame them for their honesty.

Well this is shocking, with that huge GDP, enormous forex reserves, biggest growth rate, demographic dividend.... Why would people be leaving, no I can't believe it