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[Samurai]

Are those FPV drones?.

Seems like, because in the footage where the drone is flying through loops in high speed and tight turns are most probably FPV's.

 

[aurelianpilled]

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Are they using FPV drones or the ones that Motar dropped ones?

These are mortar-dropping FPV drones.

I think you are referring to Kamikaze/Suicide FPV drones which hit on impact, they were included in the video as well ig

 

[hnn]

Even an ordinary Commissioned officer can not move out of Pakistan and seek emp;oy,emt at least 2 years.

They can actually for the two years right after SOD, the ARR allows the move subject to applying for and approval of NOC.

BTW, even if Gen Sahir moves abroad, I don't see the harm here. He's the least politically inclined Gen in recent times. Besides, his one and only son is serving in PA

 

[falcon34]

@Panzerkiel can you shed some light on tactics here, Suicide FPV and Motar equipped FPVs are shown here.
Do the army still require an ATMG like HJ12 or these drones will do well?

 

[hnn]

@Panzerkiel can you shed some light on tactics here, Suicide FPV and Motar equipped FPVs are shown here.
Do the army still require an ATMG like HJ12 or these drones will do well?

They probably would. These drones are cost effective two pronged tactic:

1. The top attack effectively bypasses the tank's own APS and ERA - is effective for a mission kill by damaging engine and/or optics, damaging tracks/treads - in best case scenario can take out the Turret as well.
2. They are also a very cost effective tactic to swarm and saturate the dedicated SHORAD batteries that move as support with an armour formation - so in effect these drones take the load off the aircrafts which can then focus on their aeriel battles and also reduces the risk of exposing your more expensive AHs to ADS.

So, it's more of an integrated tactic rather than a pure replacement. Simple military logic: the more you can throw at the enemy the better

 

[Harbyharb]

@Panzerkiel can you shed some light on tactics here, Suicide FPV and Motar equipped FPVs are shown here.
Do the army still require an ATMG like HJ12 or these drones will do well?

They are weapons for completely different scenarios.

Again, I have to reiterate a point that I've made several times before, that the lessons learned during the Russo-Ukraine war, especially regarding drones, may not be universally applicable. It is a prolonged conflict along very densely populated lines (in terms of the number of units within a unit width), where offensives are waged through constricted channels of mobility.

In said battlespace, the primary shortfalls of suicide FPVs and multi-rotor bomber drones like the Baba-Yaga, including poor endurance, limited independent target acquisition, and limited tactical mobility, are somewhat mitigated, whereas the benefits of said weapons, especially the virtually unlimited independent firing channels and cost-effectiveness, are maximised. But keep in mind that even then, said drones are not a valid replacement for effective, immediate, direct-fire anti-tank weapons.

Funnily enough, the role that these drones occupy is more similar to that of attack aircraft in fire-recon, deployed to monitor and harass known channels of possible enemy movement, deter mobilisation and impede logistics, more effective against exposed infantry and lightly armoured/unarmoured vehicles, instead of being used as a proper anti-tank weapon.

Or to put it in simpler terms, these drones are the most effective before your frontline troops see the enemy, making them suffer harassment and attrition, whereas ATGMs is used for more immediate scenarios, where you need a specific enemy target (especially heavily armoured ones) within your immediate line of sight, neutralised *here* and *now*.

 

[Panzerkiel]

@Panzerkiel can you shed some light on tactics here, Suicide FPV and Motar equipped FPVs are shown here.
Do the army still require an ATMG like HJ12 or these drones will do well?

Going for RA10....

 

[maxpane]

"Red Arrow 10" anti tank chinese version

 

[UndercoverJIX]

the ARR allows the move subject to applying for and approval of NOC.

Common sense and understood by anyone remotely connected with the system.

So, the fact is, NOT Allowed by default.

NOC comes pre approved with the retairement for the chosen category, for the rest ordinary, its very difficult process.

 

[Oscar]

Most of Bajwa's and Sharif's family live abroad. Even if these generals like Kayani stay behind in Pakistan, their families move abroad.

I imagine it must be very easy for western intelligence agencies to pressure our officers for information when their kids study abroad.

The families can - for various reasons including monetary. But these gentlemen are bound under threat of life to never leave a certain set of premises or routines. They basically know too much to be allowed out of constant surveillance.

 

[Cipher212]

The families can - for various reasons including monetary. But these gentlemen are bound under threat of life to never leave a certain set of premises or routines. They basically know too much to be allowed out of constant surveillance.

Should be passed in law officers above certain rank cannot ever leave Pakistan even when retired. No trips to US or Dubai. No postings to lead an Arab army. Supervised or not it's a risk

 

[hasssanali8998]

Should be passed in law officers above certain rank cannot ever leave Pakistan even when retired. No trips to US or Dubai. No postings to lead an Arab army. Supervised or not it's a risk

i think it be better if we made it people above a certain clearance level cant leave .

 

[hnn]

Common sense and understood by anyone remotely connected with the system.

So, the fact is, NOT Allowed by default.

NOC comes pre approved with the retairement for the chosen category, for the rest ordinary, its very difficult process.

Well if you want to interpret it like that, you can. I interpret it as more of a "condition" on movement because the condition is also applicable during service years begining at day 1 even when the newly commissioned officer practically know as much as Jon Snow. Also, 100% agreed with NOC being a formality for star ranks - and bureaucratic process is tedious and difficult in Pakistan if proceeded by the book, so even with officers below star ranks it's easy if they have connections. That's how it works in Pakistan unfortunately - the better your PR the less hurdles.

i think it be better if we made it people above a certain clearance level cant leave .

That will go against the "right to freedom of movement" - lol, don't laugh but technically it's a violation - what's better is if people with such clearance are given an incentive to stay in Pakistan. Not even the US restricts their Generals like that. Believe it or not but our policies are stricter than US. For US Military Personnel, they are only required NOC if they want to work for a Foreign Government Office, and only the personnel who have been a part of US Intelligence Community (IC Civil and Military) have a 30 month ban to work for a Foreign Government Office (but again subject to waiver by Director of National Intelligence) However, there are no conditions if any US military personnel want to move to a different country and/or get employed in private sector. The NOC is only required to work for a foreign government.

 

[UndercoverJIX]

Well if you want to interpret it like that, you can. I interpret it as more of a "condition" on movement because the condition is also applicable during service years begining at day 1 even when the newly commissioned officer practically know as much as Jon Snow. Also, 100% agreed with NOC being a formality for star ranks - and bureaucratic process is tedious and difficult in Pakistan if proceeded by the book, so even with officers below star ranks it's easy if they have connections. That's how it works in Pakistan unfortunately - the better your PR the less hurdles.

You responded to my post originally, which was a response to someone else's post, So you might have missed the context of my post.

Anyway, while in uniform, there are no restrictions on movements or travels within the country or abroad during vacations, for alomost 90% or more.

You can not take any full time, part time or contractual job, privately on your own. While in Uniform.

Restrictions on moving out of country and seeking employment after retirement, is purely based on the keeping current operational knowledge secured. Based on individulas bacground, restriction could be anything.....

There is huge difference what a NCO, JCO or officer knows, you can not compare. Some times a JCO of certain Branch/unit will have more in depth and "important" information as compare to a commissioned officer of other Branches till his retrirement.

MY orginal response to the Gentleman was based upon moving abroad after retirement as a civilian, with the wealth accumilated during Service, with a question mark on the means, based on the salary and benifits during service.

I never use actual terms or names or/of anything specific, no matter Gen. or operational stuff. If some one can understand well and good, if no, does not make any difference in life.

I know I am forgetting to mention something, but cant remember right now...lol

 

[newb3e]

is it okay if this mouaziz idara is run without notified chief? who is on top of chain of command? how is this legal?