hasssanali8998
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if by witchcraft you mean corruption then yesYeah, he apparently found the "evidence" of IK’s wife doing witchcraft and approached her to get his job back as DG ISI, but she being an evil witch refused.
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Forsvaret
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No, I mean actual witchcraft. Did you read this making headlines time & again ever since Hazrat Asim Munir lost his job as former DG ISI?
hasssanali8998
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No, I mean actual witchcraft. Did you read this making headlines time & again ever since Hazrat Asim Munir lost his job as former DG ISI?
Meengla
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Just think about it: Imran chose an apparently unqualified person like Buzdar to be the topmost leader of Pakistan's most stable, most prosperous province and then, soon after Imran was toppled, Buzdar vanished. Imran was advised by his well wishers to dump Buzdar but Imran's mighty ego could not accept that he might be wrong in his decision. Even IF Buzdar was coerced to distance from Imran, it just tells you how bad Imran's judgements were to have selected such a cowardly turncoat. Or maybe we could blame Imran's Witch Wife for Buzdar's appointment?
Every problem with Imran can be traced to two words: 'Arrogance' and 'Stupidity'.
airhead
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Agreed because people are scared of getting arrested . But 90 percent will still vote for PTI. The amt of damage done on Pakistan is incomprehensible. IK was our last hope in uniting Pakistan as he had is deep popularity from Karachi to khyber pass. Even in Baluchistan he had deep roots to a point where bla could not find leverage although I feel that he could have done more in Baluchistan and Karachi. The more we wait the more Pakistan will fall behind. We are stagnating and India just posted 8 percent gdp growth .., 8 percent. We are lucky if we get 2 percent. Ik got us 6 percent and had he stayed we would be outgrowing India as there was more entrepreneurs starting businesses more industrial output etc. I am a great example. I employed 5 highly skilled consultants in Karachi amd was planning on expanding my business but I pulled out after the coup and waiting for IK to come back and I will expand in Pakistan the but not now
Forsvaret
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Or we can simply blame Hazrat Asim Munir for Maryam Nawaz’s bad performance?
You are looking at Pakistan’s situation emotionally, not realistically. The idea that 90 percnt will still vote PTI is simply not supported by ground realities. Support exists..yes, but it is nowhere near the fantasy numbers you are quoting.
The “incomprehensible damage” narrative ignores that Pakistan’s economic decline started long before 2022. Circular debt, collapsing exports, tax evasion, and loss-making government companies were never fixed by anyone, including PTI.
Saying IK united Pakistan from Karachi to Khyber is another exaggeration. Karachi had the same problems under PTI: no water, no empowered local government, no security reforms, and no progress on infrastructure. In Balochistan, PTI also failed to launch any real political or economic reconciliation. Even PTI’s own leaders complained about being ignored.
Your GDP comparison with India does not hold. India’s growth is the result of decades of policy continuity, investment, and structural reforms. Pakistan touched 6 percent under PTI but it was fueled by heavy borrowing and unsustainable imports . That is why the economy crashed right after. Growth without structural reforms is temporary hype.
And your final point proves the real issue. When investors like you base business decisions on one personality , not the system, it exposes exactly why Pakistan remains fragile. No country succeeds when its economy depends on the return of one man. Real progress comes from stable institutions, long-term policy, and economic discipline, not political nostalgia.
Pakistan will not move forward by waiting for someone to come back. It will move forward when we fix the system that keeps colapsing regardless of who sits in the chair.
Meengla
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Topmost post!! Well worth pondering.
Forsvaret
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And we fix the "system" by giving lifetime immunity to those sitting on these top chairs?
Forsvaret
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Except, he too failed to mention the elephant in the room: military establishment.
Meengla
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Things are not simple in Pakistan due to the extreme external vulnerabilities. What I see is that the Establishment has assumed itself to be the guardian of Pakistan's sovereignty with a special focus on India. That has been the case since 1947 for most of Pakistan's history. However, there is the deep understanding that the military is ill-suited to run day to day life and that the economy, internal peace etc better be left to the civilians. But neither the military is able to run civilian affairs nor are the civilians. Giving Imran the Power in 2018 was an attempt to distance from day to day but then Imran was alienating Pakistan's very important foreign relations, wrecking Pakistan's economy, AND working with some Generals for mutual benefit: Prolongation of Power for all the few concerned.
The current dispensation is the same which Imran was trying albeit with more explicit and constitutionally backed military control...
Cipher212
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Except, he too failed to mention the elephant in the room: military establishment.
It is convenient to try and blame everything on 3 years of IK rather than admit that the problem is much worse.
Forsvaret
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Right and until / unless Pakistanis deal with this big elephant in the room, there can’t be any true & genuine politics in Pakistan
VCheng
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The real mistake here is assuming that IK was ever going to solve anything, given that the problems indeed go much deeper. IK was always destined to be the failure he proved himself to be, just like all the others.
Recognizing that incontrovertible fact is the first step to realizing that fighting amongst ourselves on that very point is what prevents any unity in going after the root cause of these problems.
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