May I ask, what's the original source of the first two images (and the one that I posted)?
Turkish UAV/UCAV Projects
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May I ask, what's the original source of the first two images (and the one that I posted)?
the video posted by baykar!
Turkey’s Fighter-Like Kizilelma Drone Shot Down Aerial Target With Radar-Guided Missile
The Kizilelma appears to be the first advanced drone to launch a radar-guided air-to-air missile, but details of how the engagement took place are scarce.
Thomas Newdick
Published Dec 1, 2025 1:42 PM EST
www.twz.com
The Kizilelma appears to be the first advanced drone to launch a radar-guided air-to-air missile, but details of how the engagement took place are scarce.
Thomas Newdick
Published Dec 1, 2025 1:42 PM EST
Turkey’s Fighter-Like Kizilelma Drone Shot Down Aerial Target With Radar-Guided Missile
The Kizilelma appears to be the first advanced drone to launch a radar-guided air-to-air missile, but details of how the engagement took place are scarce. The Kizilelma appears to be the first UCAV to launch a radar-guided air-to-air missile, but details of how the engagement took place are scarce.
www.twz.com
MMM-E
Elite Member
CEO of ASELSAN ( AHMET AKYOL )
For the first time in world, We successfully conducted an air-to-air engagement and BVR missile launch from an unmanned Fighter Jet using AESA Radar
In this launch, we used our national friend-foe identification system and national data link, our national AESA Radar locked on to the target, and the national BVR Missile struck the target
Indigenous Systems
-- KIZILELMA unmanned stealth Fighter Jet
-- IFF System
-- Data Link
-- EOTS
-- AESA Radar
-- BVR air to air Misile
For the first time in world, We successfully conducted an air-to-air engagement and BVR missile launch from an unmanned Fighter Jet using AESA Radar
In this launch, we used our national friend-foe identification system and national data link, our national AESA Radar locked on to the target, and the national BVR Missile struck the target
Indigenous Systems
-- KIZILELMA unmanned stealth Fighter Jet
-- IFF System
-- Data Link
-- EOTS
-- AESA Radar
-- BVR air to air Misile
MMM-E
Elite Member
I agree with you
ANKA-3 and ANKA-4 for MUM-T concept to operate with the KAAN 5th gen Fighter Jet
No need to equipe the ANKA-4 with AESA Radar , KAAN will control the ANKA-4
KAAN's MURAD-600A AESA Radar will detect and lock the target, and ANKA-4 will be able to fire its own BVR missiles via the datalink
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but KIZILELMA is also being developed to be able to conduct on its own as like fighter interceptor role and BVR combat
There will be a huge demand for KIZILELMA and we will market it to the world with the Italian LEONARDO ( with Turkish or Italian avionics/electronics )
Bengal71
Trusted Member
Hey brother, Kizilelma used the Gokdogan missile. Is this missile fully commissioned yet, I thought it was still under development.
xbat
Registered Member
as of july 2024 in inventory
www.savunmasanayist.com
GÖKDOĞAN ve BOZDOĞAN artık Türk Ordusu’nun emrinde | SavunmaSanayiST
Yerli ve milli olarak geliştirilen ilk hava-hava füzesi olan GÖKDOĞAN’ın envantere girdiğini Sanayi ve Teknoloji Bakanı Mehmet Fatih Kacır duyurdu.
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MMM-E
Elite Member
GOKDOGAN and BOZDOGAN air to air Missiles are in inventory
GOKHAN and GOKBORA ramjet powered air to air Missiles under development
hyperman
INT'L MOD
How does the Gokdogan compare to the AIM-120C and AIM-120D? I have read conflicting news.
MMM-E
Elite Member
Range is similar to AIM-120C
Technological capability is similar to AIM-120D
GOKDOGAN has two-way datalink , lock on after launch , state of the art active RF seeker and unique warhead design for maximum probability of kill , advanced counter-countermeasures , home-on-jam capability and speed of mach 4+
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The project requirement for the GOKDOGAN missile was range of 65 km
but in 2022 , President of Defense Industries and Director of TUBITAK SAGE Institute announced that the GOKDOGAN missile has a range of 100 km and beyond.
Flotilla
Trusted Member
Congrats. Kizilelma is the correct path. Heavyweight long range six generation aircrafts will be so expensive to design, operate and export that only advanced UCAVs would be able to deployed in meaningful numbers to cover the gap made by those.
USAF/US Navy/Marines wanted to buy 1.200 F35A/C/B but reality came to the program and armies. And 6Gen will be much more expensive than F35.
USAF/US Navy/Marines wanted to buy 1.200 F35A/C/B but reality came to the program and armies. And 6Gen will be much more expensive than F35.
hyperman
INT'L MOD
Let me get a source on that, b/c I've been arguing with these white boys on TheWarZone over the range of Gokdogan and they keep referencing the 65km from wikipedia, when I said its larger.
MMM-E
Elite Member
August 2022
President of the Presidency of Defense Industries, Prof. Dr. İsmail Demir, made the following statement regarding GOKDOGAN : "The range is over 100km. Anyway, let's not get into that too much."
GÖKDOĞAN hava-hava füzesinin menzili 100+ km'ye güncellendi
Savunma Sanayii Başkanı Prof. Dr. İsmail Demir, GÖKDOĞAN görüş ötesi hava-hava füzesinin menzilinin 100 km ve üzeri olduğunu açıkladı.
www.defenceturk.net
SSB İsmail Demir'den GÖKDOĞAN Füzesi'nin Menziline Revize
GÖKDOĞAN Görüş Ötesi Hava Hava Füzesi'nin menziline, Cumhurbaşkanlığı Savunma Sanayii Başkanı Prof. Dr. İsmail Demir'den revize geldi.
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MMM-E
Elite Member
with optimized flight and guidance algorithms and optimized rocket engine the range of the GOKDOGAN is over 100 km
btw KIZILELMA will carry 185+ km GOKBORA ramjet powered air to air missiles in internal weapon bays in the coming years
btw KIZILELMA will carry 185+ km GOKBORA ramjet powered air to air missiles in internal weapon bays in the coming years
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