Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

[flyingorca]

You are right, but in a true IADS, targeting can be done from a different radar (eg AEW&C) to the missile battery. That is why a proper IADS setup is soo dangerous compared to stand alone SAM systems.

Has India integrated their Awecs with S400? Not sure if Russia would allow that to happen.

 

[TAC]

Don’t call me a Hindu, man. That’s uncalled for. I am ok with your paranoia but no need to assign me to religions I have no business associating myself with.

I know the truth is a bitter pill to swallow, so I won’t stoop to your level.

Ok let’s play your game. So you say you’re a ‘neutral’ so not of Pakistani or Indian origin? So what, a red neck American who just so happens to be extremely interested in Pakistan? Don’t need lectures on paranoia and truth from someone who lies about their identity.

 

[Ali_Baba]

Has India integrated their Awecs with S400? Not sure if Russia would allow that to happen.

India's setup is not integrated in the same way as Pakistan's is as far as the public information goes. In light of the conflict this year, they will move towards an integrated setup now for sure.

 

[Waz]

Superficial strikes which India used as a pretext to target Pakistan’s frontline airbases in a massive way.

At first yes a poor response. The army needs to fix up. The large response came near the start of the ceasefire. The PAF was left open to such attacks.

 

[TAC]

At first yes a poor response. The army needs to fix up. The large response came near the start of the ceasefire. The PAF was left open to such attacks.

I believe they resisted reacting too severely for fear of escalation to levels that nobody would be able to control. India’s ego and image on the other hand was badly damaged and it was desperately trying to salvage something to beat their chest about , with less concern for escalation. When India’s provocations became too much, Pakistan declared ‘now you wait for our response’, that response followed, India’s request for deescalation came soon after. Probably fair to say that if that response had come sooner, so would have the ceasefire but hindsight is a luxury you don’t have at the time.

 

[UndercoverJIX]

Incorrect. Here are the details:

Operational Gallantry Awards
8 x SJ (All PAF)
5 x TJ (All PA)

Non-operational Gallantry Award
24 x SBt (All Service Branches)
45 x TBt (All Service Branches)

Recepients of TJ
Captain Ali Hassan, FF (TJ)
Lance Havaldar Amir Sheraz, BR (TJ)
Naik Abdul Rehman Shaheed, SSG (TJ)
Lance Naik Ikram Ullah Shaheed, AK (TJ)
Sepoy Adeel Akbar Shaheed, PR (TJ)

I was refering to one of your earlier posts in response to, I think airhead, where you repeated few time no invasion etc..

Please keep in mind, no land invasions and declearation of full war.

It was a short skirimish,

What happened on LOC its almost routine matter, when ceasefire is broken.

I am all for awarding our Soldiers and Officers.
I will appreciate FM Sab more, if he had awarded more to Soldiers and officers, instead of awarding himself. (Yea we know President awarding him drama) Medals for dealing with political opponents, ofcourse professionally as per his oath.


What more FM wants? He already is COAS, CDF for foreseable futue, Immunuty etc.

He claims to be Hafiz and Soldier of Allah, a SELFLESS soldier after becoming FM awarded more medals to himself to look cool and highly decorated Officer.

Before Becoming COAS (London Plan) He had only routine service medals.

 

[hnn]

I believe they resisted reacting too severely for fear of escalation to levels that nobody would be able to control. India’s ego and image on the other hand was badly damaged and it was desperately trying to salvage something to beat their chest about , with less concern for escalation. When India’s provocations became too much, Pakistan declared ‘now you wait for our response’, that response followed, India’s request for deescalation came soon after. Probably fair to say that if that response had come sooner, so would have the ceasefire but hindsight is a luxury you don’t have at the time.

AFAIK, the major damage to India was already done by morning of 7 May.

• Their aircrafts were shot down
• Bde HQs in IOJK were targeted
• Their forward defenses on LOC were vacated and 7 border posts were occupied by PA

First thing to be proud of here is that this major response came only within ~ 3 hours of India's missile strike unlike 2019 where it took a few days to launch a response.

By morning on 7 May, India was already holding press conference in which they mentioned they are ready to de-escalate if Pakistan does so. Foreign countries, esp US, was already in contact with both countries - Pakistan did decide to de-escalate and vacated their border posts by evening on 7 May

On 8 and 9 May, India carried out their drone incursion blaming Pakistan for doing artillery shelling and drone swarms across LOC b/w night of 7/8 - this was vice versa - when Pakistan de-escalated on 7 May, India still wanted to get the last punch in (because of the damages they had already received).

Pakistan took care of Indian drone incursion, and with no damage to show to their population, on the night of 9 May, India struck Nur Khan AB with BrahMos.

By this time US was back on the hotline with both countries, as India was escalating, but Pakistan denied the US call for no response/de-escalation and then by the early hours of May 10 Op BM was officially launched - F1 and F2, CM400 AKG, Bhuj BrahMos launch site all this happened by morning hours of 10 May.

After this upon India's request ceasefire negotiations were began by noon. During the negotiations, India took advantage again and launched more BrahMos at Pakistan targeting ABs and Kirana Hills. The last BrahMos strike was Bholari AB (which happened mid-afternoon 10 May) a couple of hours later the ceasefire was in effect.

The major damage to India was already done by 7 May (Aircrafts and LOC) - Op BM on 10 May did further damage but AFAIK not of the same extent as on 7 May because Pakistan didn't want to escalate further (India was already using BrahMos which was their last weapon system under Nuclear Threshold)

 

[hnn]

I was refering to one of your earlier posts in response to, I think airhead, where you repeated few time no invasion etc..

Please keep in mind, no land invasions and declearation of full war.

It was a short skirimish,

What happened on LOC its almost routine matter, when ceasefire is broken.

Sir/Brother, what happened at LOC on the night of 6 and continued until dawn on 7 was not routine. The routine began on LOC 10-12 days before that starting with Leepa Sector (which was already lit by 26-27 April) - Though the May Conflict was not an all out war, it was certainly not just cross-firing from manned border posts. PA had infiltrated across LOC by morning of 7

I am all for awarding our Soldiers and Officers.
I will appreciate FM Sab more, if he had awarded more to Soldiers and officers, instead of awarding himself. (Yea we know President awarding him drama) Medals for dealing with political opponents, ofcourse professionally as per his oath.


What more FM wants? He already is COAS, CDF for foreseable futue, Immunuty etc.

He claims to be Hafiz and Soldier of Allah, a SELFLESS soldier after becoming FM awarded more medals to himself to look cool and highly decorated Officer.

Before Becoming COAS (London Plan) He had only routine service medals.

Again, I agree with you on this but this is the political side of things and I'm not justifying anything here. What is wrong is wrong and I have called it out on multiple occasions.

 

[NA71]

 

[UndercoverJIX]

PA had infiltrated across LOC by morning of 7

I am aware of that, PA did more thenn just a lil infiltration.

I am not criticizing PA actions or anything like that, or awards given.

I am against FM awarding himself few mdals after becoming COAS.

My issue is with a Person/s, not with any of the institution.

 

[Waz]

I believe they resisted reacting too severely for fear of escalation to levels that nobody would be able to control. India’s ego and image on the other hand was badly damaged and it was desperately trying to salvage something to beat their chest about , with less concern for escalation. When India’s provocations became too much, Pakistan declared ‘now you wait for our response’, that response followed, India’s request for deescalation came soon after. Probably fair to say that if that response had come sooner, so would have the ceasefire but hindsight is a luxury you don’t have at the time.

The escalation had already happened, they attacked Pakistan's main cities. The next step was to move and cause massive damage to them and hit their cities which would have then diverted their resources and caused panic. Sitting on things did cost us, and sadly lives as well. Hesitation doesn't yield any reward and instead emboldens an enemy.
But at the end we both agree anyway i.e. it should have come sooner.

 

[hnn]

I am against FM awarding himself few mdals after becoming COAS.

No disagreements here, and I'm glad we don't have disagreement over the performance of PA as well

Putting aside the FM events - Pakistan needs to be proud of the professionalism and success of our first ever multi-domain military operation.

 

[Cipher212]

Has India integrated their Awecs with S400? Not sure if Russia would allow that to happen.

India has so many systems from different vendors its much harder for them to do these things. We will always retain the advantage on that.

 

[hasssanali8998]

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@Trailer23 u were spot on​

 

[hasssanali8998]

India has so many systems from different vendors its much harder for them to do these things. We will always retain the advantage on that.

proceeds to shoot down their own heli , still shocked they publicly accepted it lmao .