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[VCheng]

Another rare sensible post from an Imran supporter!
@VCheng : You see, even in this forum, the needle moves, albeit slowly!

The same TTC gave me a thumbs down elsewhere merely for saying that I disagree with what he said and daring to respectfully present my different point of view.

(And received the same in return, my first ever.)

So let us not expect too much for now. Let us see what slowly develops. Reality is reality, and always wins, as I often say.

 

[Olympus81]

@Meengla You are smarter than that.

Comments like rare sensible comments from ‘Imran Khan supporters’ are jingoistic to say the least.

There are scores of members who support the rule of law and lean towards PTI support, that have stopped posting.

I for one, give less and less time, for the fact that I feel this country is not heading in the right direction. One does not need to be a rocket scientist to conclude why.

 

[PakAl]

No, that is not my intention.

My point is that one must provide the necessary blood, toil and sweat for anything worthwhile, if one wants it strongly enough. Nothing will happen on its own.

And unless that is forthcoming, then one must accept the situation rather than mouthing off endlessly.

As was famously said:

All the Woulda-Coulda-Shouldas
Layin' in the sun,
Talkin' 'bout the things
They woulda coulda shoulda done.
But those Woulda-Coulda-Shouldas
All ran away and hid
From one little Did.

Why don't Pakistanis first start by rejecting the corrupt practises, bribery, keep Pakistan clean, follow traffic rules and form queue at shops. Let's see how active the nation is. Good luck, Wasim Akram tried and failed to keep Pakistan clean.

 

[VCheng]

Why don't Pakistanis first start by rejecting the corrupt practises, bribery, keep Pakistan clean, follow traffic rules and form queue at shops. Let's see how active the nation is. Good luck, Wasim Akram tried and failed to keep Pakistan clean.

It is entirely up to the choices they make everyday. It is not for me, or anyone else, to tell them anything. They are smart enough to get what they really want. May be they have it already?

 

[Meengla]

There is no doubt that change is much needed and long overdue. But it must come in a gradual way from steady internal changes in a gradual manner from both within the military and society at large.

Those are wise words! And, I believe, at one point, when Imran was the PM of Pakistan, the combined opposition parties--at least the PPP and PMLN--despite being hunted down on Imran's behalf by the same Establishment which Imran is cursing since his ouster--wanted to extend the Benazir-Nawaz 'Charter of Democracy' of 2006 to Imran: Live and let live. Our Common enemy is the Deep State of Pakistan. But the PM Imran didn't even want to be seen sitting with the Opposition in the crucial NSC Meetings when Pakistan was facing India during the Feb. 2019 crisis.
Everything about Imran boils down to arrogance and stupidity. Everything! There is no sugar coating that. Unfortunately, his followers fail to see those insurmountable flaws.

 

[PakAl]

Anyways, I am not looking to blame any side. What I hope to see is, both sides tone down their rhetoric and come to an understanding. This fight will help neither side.

This is the best solution but Imran Khan keeps on giving anti army statements from the jail, I want to see calm for 1 year and then senior Pti leadership to approach the PDM government and establishment to contain the situation, then hopefully Imran Khan will be relased. Look at Shah Mahmood Qureshi, a top politician but he got trapped and is now is in jail. Hatred and division does not benefit Pakistan.

 

[Meengla]

I for one, give less and less time, for the fact that I feel this country is not heading in the right direction. One does not need to be a rocket scientist to conclude why.

Ask many Americans: The largest economy of the world. Many, many, if not the majority are dissatisfied with the way things going and, due to the 'incumbency fatigue', dissatisfied with the Trump administration. And if you follow the blogspace, the same is prevalent in most of the world, democracy or not, and those countries include even India and China.
I don't buy this argument that 'democracy' is some panacea for Pakistan or for any other country of the world. I don't buy the BS divide trying to separate the armed forces of Pakistan from the average Pakistanis--the Messiah Khan has whispered some words into people's ears since his ouster. And democratic countries, despite far less challenging situations then Pakistan, such as Sri Lanka, had recently faced fiscal bankruptcy.
Every situation is different. For Pakistan, as long as it faces the threats from Afghanistan and India, I don't give a damn about democracy blah blah especially from fake democrats like Imran or Nawaz.

 

[HinduKush]

I thought they were politically neutral

 

[flameboard]

IK in jail and can’t even respond. This is theatrics.

 

[PakAl]

Those are wise words! And, I believe, at one point, when Imran was the PM of Pakistan, the combined opposition parties--at least the PPP and PMLN--despite being hunted down on Imran's behalf by the same Establishment which Imran is cursing since his ouster--wanted to extend the Benazir-Nawaz 'Charter of Democracy' of 2006 to Imran: Live and let live. Our Common enemy is the Deep State of Pakistan. But the PM Imran didn't even want to be seen sitting with the Opposition in the crucial NSC Meetings when Pakistan was facing India during the Feb. 2019 crisis.
Everything about Imran boils down to arrogance and stupidity. Everything! There is no sugar coating that. Unfortunately, his followers fail to see those insurmountable flaws.

Because Pmln and PPP already fought the establishment and realised its no point, it will lead to chaos. So they give and take and stay in power. The recent events forced Pmln and PPP to stay quiet and establishment did what it had to do to command great power in the state.

I always believe if 80% of the population want a real change then change will already take place. After all the army, judiciary, politicians, civil forces, politicians, bureaucrats all come from the awaam. Majority of the people only want basic rights and they will be happy in their homes. We cannot have more jobs and progress with interfighting. .

Pti did learn some lessons, at first refused to sit in the opposition or assemblies due to Imran Khan removal but now even though Imran Khan is in jail they're in the opposition, and ruling KPK. Before they claimed we will resign from assemblies, force the elections, win and then resign the next day but today no such threats are made. The aim of all those threats was to bring the system down if IK is not given his due right to the PM seat, it did not work. Soon Pti and Imran Khan hopefully will release the fight against establishment did not benefit Imran Khan, PTI or the people of Pakistan and they will try to make amends. It does seem like the bridge is burnt but we never know.

 

[Meengla]

This is the best solution but Imran Khan keeps on giving anti army statements from the jail, I want to see calm for 1 year and then senior Pti leadership to approach the PDM government and establishment to contain the situation, then hopefully Imran Khan will be relased. Look at Shah Mahmood Qureshi, a top politician but he got trapped and is now is in jail. Hatred and division does not benefit Pakistan.

I don't think you or many here don't understand the simple words in which Bill Clinton defused the 'Family Values' electoral theme of Bush Sr by simply saying 'It is the economy, stupid!' in the 1992 elections.
If Imran is let out, he will relentlessly march on Islamabad, blockade, call for stopping remittance from overseas Pakistan, call for IMF loan stopping, lobbying foreign govts against Pakistan. Look at what he did since 2014: In your post(s) above, you have given examples of how Imran was working with the Imported Mullah Tahir ul Qadri in 2014 in street protests to topple the Nawaz govt then. Do you and others seriously think he will not repeat what he knows the best: Anarchy?? Do you guys think a sitting PM of Pakistan, who was reluctant to sit in NSC meetings even when India and Pakistan were in a conflict in 2019, is going to settle for any 'democratic' routes? No, he will be hellbent on anarchy and destruction of Pakistan's very fabric to come back to power.
I can't believe so many here can't see what Imran had been doing, is doing, and will do if he is freed!!!

 

[Meengla]

I always believe if 80% of the population want a real change then change will already take place. After all the army, judiciary, politicians, civil forces, politicians, bureaucrats all come from the awaam. Majority of the people only want basic rights and they will be happy in their homes. We cannot have more jobs and progress with interfighting. .

Right. Not only the 80% part but also that the Judges, the military, the politicians, the traders, the farmers, the civil servants... they are not some alien. Even the topmost Generals which Imran's bogus narrative has made to be aliens come from the same pool of Pakistanis as others.

Pti did learn some lessons, at first refused to sit in the opposition or assemblies due to Imran Khan removal but now even though Imran Khan is in jail they're in the opposition, and ruling KPK. Before they claimed we will resign from assemblies, force the elections, win and then resign the next day but today no such threats are made.

The K-P assembly is literally Imran's last card to play. The stupid guy already did dumb things, against the advice of his veteran allies, by bringing down his own govt in the vital province of Punjab.

 

[PakAl]

I don't think you or many here don't understand the simple words in which Bill Clinton defused the 'Family Values' electoral theme of Bush Sr by simply saying 'It is the economy, stupid!' in the 1992 elections.
If Imran is let out, he will relentlessly march on Islamabad, blockade, call for stopping remittance from overseas Pakistan, call for IMF loan stopping, lobbying foreign govts against Pakistan. Look at what he did since 2014: In your post(s) above, you have given examples of how Imran was working with the Imported Mullah Tahir ul Qadri in 2014 in street protests to topple the Nawaz govt then. Do you and others seriously think he will not repeat what he knows the best: Anarchy?? Do you guys think a sitting PM of Pakistan, who was reluctant to sit in NSC meetings even when India and Pakistan were in a conflict in 2019, is going to settle for any 'democratic' routes? No, he will be hellbent on anarchy and destruction of Pakistan's very fabric to come back to power.
I can't believe so many here can't see what Imran had been doing, is doing, and will do if he is freed!!!

That is why I am asking for Imran Khan and Pti to change their policies. Play mature politics rather than toxic politics. Like you said people like Gohar Khan seem decent, I think Fawad Ch, Asad Umer, ex president Alvi, Shah Mahmood Qureshi, Rauf Hassan are decent politicians, they must be given charge of Pti and make independent decisions, IK must also listen to them and slowly get himself released.

Pti should not be a dictatorship, how can one man who is in jail with no information on what is happening on the outside make party decisions. Pmln and PPP have some very old senior leadership and this is why when things go downfall they get involved and calm the leadership down, and get back in the game. Nawaz Sharif was removed 3x from power, exiled for 10 years, Bhutto was hanged, Benazir killed, her brothers killed, Zardari was in jail for 7 years but they still made amends because they want to do politics. During Raheel Sharif time Zardari went crazy on army leadership but then went to dubai to calm down, Nawaz also went crazy at Bajwa but then cooled down. Someone advised them to take it easy.

 

[PakAl]

The K-P assembly is literally Imran's last card to play. The stupid guy already did dumb things, against the advice of his veteran allies, by bringing down his own govt in the vital province of Punjab.

That was a big blunder, or else PTI today would not be ruling KPK, resigned after elections, the same way would not be sitting in the opposition since now the situation is worse than IK removal, he is in jail. People like Sheikh Rasheed, Pervez Elahi know politics, but noone listened to them, this is why both have gone quiet. The biggest mistake Imran Khan and PTI making right now is making personal attacks on the army officers, it doesn't benefit them in anyway, They will learn this in the future but it maybe too late then.

 

[mythbuster]

Why don't Pakistanis first start by rejecting the corrupt practises, bribery, keep Pakistan clean, follow traffic rules and form queue at shops. Let's see how active the nation is. Good luck, Wasim Akram tried and failed to keep Pakistan clean.

Yep , that's what Maryam is doing in Punjab.....shocked ?