PAF F-16 | Discussions

[Ak01]

I doubt we'll see over 70 J35s in PAF. PFX will probably be the bulk of the fleet, a cheaper replacement for the Vipers. Mirages and F7s won't last long, early Block JF17s will.be replaced by Block 4 and PFX gradually replacing early Block 15 Vipers.

what is the PFX lol.

For all i know, this could be PFX.

 

[Corax]

what is the PFX lol.

For all i know, this could be PFX.View attachment 165132

I agree with you, it could be anything, but what is clear it's a follow on to the JF17, a 4.5 gen platform, given most comments by the PAF. It'll probably be a Chinese design put together by PAC.

 

[Ali_Baba]

Well clearly you and the PAF are at loggerheads then. Perhaps you should make them your guarantees, because for all intents and purposes, the signalling is pretty clear and this dsca notif holds some very interesting

People are clutching at straws thinking PAF is going to drop 10 billion on F16s, and then pray that they all get delivered over a multi-year delivery cycle.

 

[Ak01]

J10Ce and JF17Cs will replace until the stealth platforms turn up imho.

problem is there is actually zero incentive on Chinas side to finance paf jf17 acquisitons when the j10 is far more profitable for them.

why provide us loans to buy products that keep our production lines running when they can mandate those loans go to j10s instead.

theres a fundamental conflict of interest now

 

[PakAl]

What is the reason Usa will not give us V upgrades, we cannot buy 2nd hand F16s from different nations or buy Turkish helicopter engine. Isn't Pakistan Usa major non Nato ally.

 

[hasssanali8998]

10 billion on F16s

not in the next 5 years but we are talking about 2040 or even 2060 onwards

 

[Ali_Baba]

problem is there is actually zero incentive on Chinas side to finance paf jf17 acquisitons when the j10 is far more profitable for them.

why provide us loans to buy products that keep our production lines running when they can mandate those loans go to j10s instead.

theres a fundamental conflict of interest now

By that logic why is China allowing Azerbaijan to buy the JF17C? Why didn’t they push them to J10c? Why are they allowing another new sale JF17C sale via the recently announced MOU? There would have been Chinese financial assistance for that sale too.

 

[Quwa]

I truly don’t see PAF new F16s whe the J35A is so close. The era of new F16s are over as we step stealth platforms for both manned and unmanned platforms. PAF cannot afford PFX Alpha, PFX, Kaan, J35A and Kizilema drones and then buy new F16s on top. The numbers don’t add up financially given how very expensive those f16s are relative to their capabilities and what J35A will offer.

Of all the things listed there, the only one the PAF actually operates is the F-16, i.e. the operating infrastructure is all there to support it, including Blk72. The rest are all limited to statements here and there. Yes, they're plausible, but then I wouldn't deny the same standard to the fighters we already operate. In that sense, the F-16 Blk72s are also plausible, especially in an environment where the US is much, much more adversarial against China and wants to force alignment from other countries on the matter.

 

[Corax]

problem is there is actually zero incentive on Chinas side to finance paf jf17 acquisitons when the j10 is far more profitable for them.

why provide us loans to buy products that keep our production lines running when they can mandate those loans go to j10s instead.

theres a fundamental conflict of interest now

So you've answered it, more J10s probably, PAF won't stop at just 20. Most likely more J10s and PAC probably making JF17 a wholly owned Pak product with further Blocks produced. These two will probably make up the bulk of the fleet.

 

[hasssanali8998]

So you've answered it, more J10s probably

why haven't we ordered any j10CE man , that part is confusing to me .

 

[Ak01]

By that logic why is China allowing Azerbaijan to buy the JF17C? Why didn’t they push them to J10c? Why are they allowing another new sale JF17C sale via the recently announced MOU?

Do we know who financed their procurements?
Even then, lets say the chinese did. Theres more profit in an export sale of a JF-17 for avic then there is one to Pak. We just buy airframes, they buy airframes, support equip, wpns...etc etc.

Why would the PAF only get access to PL-15 for Block 3 post J-10 induction is what you should be asking

 

[Corax]

why haven't we ordered any j10CE man , that part is confusing to me .

Financing probably, but there'll be more to come.

 

[Ak01]

So you've answered it, more J10s probably, PAF won't stop at just 20. Most likely more J10s and PAC probably making JF17 a wholly owned Pak product with further Blocks produced. These two will probably make up the bulk of the fleet.

if pac makes the jf17 a wholly pak product, it means we dont get loans to pay for them.

it literally cant work.

 

[Ali_Baba]

Of all the things listed there, the only one the PAF actually operates is the F-16, i.e. the operating infrastructure is all there to support it, including Blk72. The rest are all limited to statements here and there.

PAF has that infrastructure for the Jf17 too…………..

The only unknown right now is the J10Ce for how much support infrastructure has been created. There however will be some level of overlap with JF17C infrastructure other than the engine given Chengdu’s lineage of both platforms.

PAF has enough infrastructure to support the f16 fleet it operate now., it is not going to waste money on supporting idle infrastructure capacity and people on planes that don’t exist…. There is no spare capacity or people for a magical fleet to turnup and be supported, that capacity will have to be created.

PAF has always been cash poor and it only buys what it needs when it needs it and new infrastructure will have to be created to support any expansion in the size of the f16 fleet……

 

[Corax]

if pac makes the jf17 a wholly pak product, it means we dont get loans to pay for them.

it literally cant work.

So on one hand you're saying we can't even buy JF17s without Chinese loans, and then on the other hand we have a spare USD10-18bn lying around to replace our Viper fleet? Come on man, at least have a consistent line of argument here.