Türkiye unveils exclusive details of future TF-2000-class destroyer

[MMM-E]

Thanks, I read the information you posted. Maintained Mach 2 the whole time. Started picking up speed to Mach 5 for the last 5km. I still think it's too slow to be honest.

Speed of mach 3 or mach 5 that doesnt matter to intercept anti-ship Missiles

Problem is
Indian Destroyers armed with only 32 SAMs


while Turkish TF-2000 Destroyer will be armed with 181 SAMs
96 cells MIDLAS VLS with quad pack capability

South Korean Sejong the Great-class Destroyer has 80 cells MK-41 VLS for 80 SM-2 SAMs
also 1 x RAM with 21 air defense missiles

Japanese ATAGO class Destroyer has 96 cells MK-41 VLS

American Arleigh Burke class Destroyer has 96 cells MK-41 VLS


btw what about Chinese Type-055 Destroyer ?
112 cells VLS for 112 Missiles
but how many SAMs ?

 

[Pingle]

It's still Mach 2.

It still brought down iskandar.....

 

[Pingle]

Speed of mach 3 or mach 5 that doesnt matter to intercept anti-ship Missiles

Problem is
Indian Destroyers armed with only 32 SAMs


while Turkish TF-2000 Destroyer will be armed with 181 SAMs
96 cells MIDLAS VLS with quad pack capability

South Korean Sejong the Great-class Destroyer has 80 cells MK-41 VLS for 80 SM-2 SAMs
also 1 x RAM with 21 air defense missiles

Japanese ATAGO class Destroyer has 96 cells MK-41 VLS

American Arleigh Burke class Destroyer has 96 cells MK-41 VLS


btw what about Chinese Type-055 Destroyer ?
112 cells VLS for 112 Missiles
but how many SAMs ?

Overall TF-2000 looks great with firepower..... but I think it will join after 2030-2035..... till then our project 18 will be ready....

 

[MH.Yang]

Speed of mach 3 or mach 5 that doesnt matter to intercept anti-ship Missiles

Problem is
Indian Destroyers armed with only 32 SAMs


while Turkish TF-2000 Destroyer will be armed with 181 SAMs
96 cells MIDLAS VLS with quad pack capability

South Korean Sejong the Great-class Destroyer has 80 cells MK-41 VLS for 80 SM-2 SAMs
also 1 x RAM with 21 air defense missiles

Japanese ATAGO class Destroyer has 96 cells MK-41 VLS

American Arleigh Burke class Destroyer has 96 cells MK-41 VLS


btw what about Chinese Type-055 Destroyer ?
112 cells VLS for 112 Missiles
but how many SAMs ?

The 055 can carry 448 SAMs, plus another 24 HQ-10s.

 

[MMM-E]

Overall TF-2000 looks great with firepower..... but I think it will join after 2030-2035..... till then our project 18 will be ready....

TF-2000 Destroyer will be delivered to the Turkish Navy in 2027-2028 period

Turkiye to start production of the TF-2000 in the end of 2024 or in 2025


The most heavily armed Destroyers in the World

South Korean Sejong the Great-class Destroyer has 144 Missiles

80 cells MK-41 VLS for 80 SM-2 SAMs
48 cells K-VLS for 48 K-ASROC Red Shark ASW Missiles and HYUNMOO-3 Cruise Missiles
16 x SSM-700K anti-ship Missiles
also 1 x RAM with 21 air defense missiles


Turkish TF-2000 class Destroyer with 192 Missiles

96 cells VLS with quad pack capability
-- 128 HISAR-D Block2 SAMs
-- 32 SIPER Block-2 SAMs
-- 16 GEZGIN Cruise Missiles
-- 16 ATMACA anti-ship Missiles
also 1 x LEVENT with 21 air defense missiles


But Chinese Type-055 Destroyer has great fire power with 112 Missiles including YJ-21 hypersonic anti-ship Missiles with range of 1.500 km

 

[MMM-E]

The 055 can carry 448 SAMs, plus another 24 HQ-10s.

but 112 cells VLS for 112 missiles
( mix of HHQ-9 SAMs , YJ-18 and YJ-21 anti-ship Missiles also CJ-10 land attack Cruise Missiles )

also 24 x HQ-10s

 

[DDG-80]

but 112 cells VLS for 112 missiles
( mix of HHQ-9 SAMs , YJ-18 and YJ-21 anti-ship Missiles also CJ-10 land attack Cruise Missiles )

also 24 x HQ-10s

HQ-9 is ok for engaging high altitude bombers and tactical bms, but against sea skimming AShMs - not so good due to its poor lateral acceleration. That's why they are supplimented by smaller missiles in the case of PLAN, HQ-10.

 

[MH.Yang]

but 112 cells VLS for 112 missiles
( mix of HHQ-9 SAMs , YJ-18 and YJ-21 anti-ship Missiles also CJ-10 land attack Cruise Missiles )

also 24 x HQ-10s

If the 055 carries large missiles with a diameter of 600-800 mm, it can only carry 112 missiles. Of course, since the main mission of the 055 is anti-ballistic missile, anti hypersonic missile, anti-satellite, etc., the 055 usually carries really large missiles. After all, the main mission of the 055 is mid-range ABM.

Of course, if the 055 doesn't carry missiles such as DF10 (similar to the US BGM109), HQ9, HQ16EF, YJ18, etc., but instead carries all HQ10s, it is also capable of using a pit of four bombs.

Except it makes no sense, and using a warship like the 055 for close air defense is a ridiculous idea. And the 055 already has 24 HQ10s. the 055 also has the world's best close air defense gun, the H/PJ-11, which is much better than the US Phalanx.




The Zhuhai Airshow has already demonstrated the one-pit, four-bomb equipment that the 055 can use.

 

[MH.Yang]

HQ-9 is ok for engaging high altitude bombers and tactical bms, but against sea skimming AShMs - not so good due to its poor lateral acceleration. That's why they are supplimented by smaller missiles in the case of PLAN, HQ-10.

1, The 055 has 16 YJ21's with a range of 1500-1800km. again considering the radar advantage of the 055, how would your warship get close enough to the 055 to use an anti-ship missile?

2, The 055 also has 24 rounds of HQ10 and H/PJ-11, and the main gun can be used as an ahead. the 055A will also be retrofitted with laser defense.

3, Destroyers are used to protect carriers in U.S. carrier formations. In China's carrier fleet, carriers are used to protect the 055. the 055 is surrounded by bodyguards.

4, Since the PLA knows that the 055 is the hub and centerpiece of the entire fleet, it certainly won't let any enemy ships near the 055. why would you think it would be easy to sneak up on the 055 with sea-skimming anti-ship missiles?

 

[Admiral General Aladin]

TF2000 will have a more firepower for sure but I guess Visakhapatnam will be better for air defence because it is armed with combat proven Barak 8 and Barak could even destroy deadly Iskandar ballistic missile.....

well.barak was designed for shooting down subsonic cruise missile.it’s speed is below mach 2.

 

[BonPlan]

21 x short range Air Defense Missiles with range of 11 km for Ship point defense

another copy and paste.
It's a RAM system copy ..... even the numer of the missiles is the same : 21.

 

[Merzifonlu]

@BonPlan

If the USA had adopted these RAM missiles from Stinger missiles, then our system would literally be "copy-paste".
We adopted these missiles from the Sungur (Stinger equivalent) missile in order to save on missile development costs.

 

[MMM-E]

another copy and paste.
It's a RAM system copy ..... even the numer of the missiles is the same : 21.

Roketsan LEVENT and Aselsan GOKSUR are fitted with 4 fixed-face AESA Radars
( unique in the World )

The ability to destroy threats at a 360-degree angle, new generation IIR seeker guided missile, multiple target intercept capability, standalone and/or platform integrated operation, intermediate guidance with data link, and high single shot avoidance capability.

LEVENT has 11 missiles ( there is a variant with 21 missiles ) based on SUNGUR Missile
GOKSUR has 12 missiles .. based on BOZDOGAN air to air Missile



Meteksan NAZAR LASER - EW System ..... (DAZZLER & JAMMER) SYSTEM
( unique in the World )

Broadband state-of-the-art laser functional destruction capability against EO/IR guided missiles

NAZAR use laser-blinding dazzling and soft-kill techniques against EO /IR-guided missiles

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GOKDENIZ 35mm CIWS with airburst munition
( better than American 20 mm PHALANX )



Turkiye kicked all embargoes and becomes global power with its own great Defense Industry and superior weapons


on the other hand
France is losing its power with old RAFALE , inept HORIZON Destroyer ,
without UCAVs and without unmanned stealth Fighter Jets
without unmammed Kamikaze Drones and kamikaze Vessels
abandoned Aircraft Carrier project

better worry about your France

 

[MS Sandhu]

You pray for that Pakistan doesnt buy Turkish TF-2000 Destroyer

I don't think Pakistan needs this platform
It can't stand against India.IN will field Hypersonic Brahmose in near future.If only one Brahmose penetrated,this 1B+ asset will be sunk in broad daylight.
A dispersed firepower in the ocean for defence in the form of corvettes, Frigates and OPVs; and a capable submarine fleet for offence is the best way forward for Pakistan.

 

[MMM-E]

I don't think Pakistan needs this platform
It can't stand against India.IN will field Hypersonic Brahmose in near future.If only one Brahmose penetrated,this 1B+ asset will be sunk in broad daylight.

Better worry about Indian Destroyers

Only one Turkish unmanned Kamikaze Vessel is enough for Indian Destroyer
cost effective and lethal solution

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swarm attack by 8 unmanned Kamikaze Vessels

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SAMs can intercept Hypersonic Missile
and Turkish TF-2000 Destroyer will carry 181 SAMs
we have seen this in Ukraine against Russian KHIZHAL hypersonic Missile which was intercepted by NATO Air Defense Systems

btw do you think only India will have hypersonic missile ?
Turkiye also develops SCRAMJET for hypersonic Missiles
S.Korea also develops hypersonic Missile

A dispersed firepower in the ocean for defence in the form of corvettes, Frigates and OPVs; and a capable submarine fleet for offence is the best way forward for Pakistan.

if without Carrier Strike Group ....

Pakistan needs Turkish unmanned robotic Concept to turn Indian Navy into scrap of metal

-- Unmanned Kamikaze Vessels with warhead of 200 kg
-- Unmanned Combat Vessels armed with KUZGUN-TJ and CAKIR missiles and Torpedos
-- TB-2/3 UCAVs armed with 200+ km KEMANKES mini cruise missiles
-- AKINCI UCAVs armed with 150-180-200-280-700 km CAKIR , KUZGUN-TJ , SOM , SUPER SIMSEK
-- AKSUNGUR UCAVs with SONOBOUYS and ORKA torpedos
-- ANKA-3 flying wing stealth UCAVs
-- KIZILELMA unmanned stealth Fighter Jets




far better than BRAHMOS Missile