Gunman opens fire at crowded Australia beach, people rush for shelter

[Dalit]

Pakistan-origin man living in Sydney falsely identified as Bondi Beach gunman fears his life is in danger

Man, who shares the same name as with one of the suspected shooters, issues plea for help; says he "can't go outside safely".

www.dawn.com

Pakistani guy falsely accused says indian accounts are spreading false propoganda against him.



no surprise there...

The Indians are doing their best I see. Even spreading fake news and accusing people who have nothing to do with the attack.

 

[Tremain]

Pakistan, who is also telling the world to rein in Afghanistan for its terror networks. We should practice what we preach.

So you feel responsible for what these people did....

That's retarded.

I don't feel any kind responsibly at all. Nor do I stand with the Bondi shooters.

Afghanistan spreads terror as state policy. We do NOT.

 

[Goenitz]

@PakSword
We can open a separate thread btw. To answer your question why Muslims tend to do these activities.
Let's talk about us. I think the army's control and patronage of religious parties is mainly responsible for these incidents. They have supported IEA, Sunni Tehrik, TLP, etc before.
These groups openly express hate speech and violent threats. Sometimes, they commit lethal actions against minorities and others. Therefore, the followers and common citizens think of killing anyone on blasphemy or honour charges.
CM of the province defended the honour killing of a Baloch girl years after marriage. Similarly, lawyers and civili society hailed Mumtaz Qadri for killing the governor. Or common killers of blasphemy charges go scot free.

These things prompt citizens to take the law into their own hands around the world.

 

[Dalit]

So you feel responsible for what these people did....

That's retarded.

I don't feel any kind responsibly at all. Nor do I stand with the Bondi shooters.

Afghanistan spreads terror as state policy. We do NOT.

These were individuals who were fully brainwashed in Australia by ISIS. They were affiliated with an IS cell in Sydney.

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Prime Minister Anthony Albanese confirmed Naveed Akram first came to ASIO's attention in October 2019 and was under investigation for a period of six months but there was an assessment he posed no ongoing threat.

The official said Naveed Akram was closely connected to Matari, who is serving seven years in jail for planning an IS insurgency as the self-declared Australian commander of the terrorist group.

Matari was part of an IS cell with several other Sydney men who have since been convicted of terrorist offences and were also close to Naveed Akram, according to sources with close knowledge of the matter.

ASIO director-general Mike Burgess said on Sunday that one of the gunmen was known to the agency, but did not specify which man.

"One of these individuals was known to us, but not in an immediate-threat perspective, so we need to look into what happened here," he said.

The JCTT comprises ASIO, NSW Police, the Australian Federal Police and the NSW Crime Commission.

ASIO examined Bondi Beach gunman in 2019 for ties to Islamic State cell

Australia's domestic intelligence agency, ASIO, examined one of the Bondi Beach gunmen six years ago for his close ties to a Sydney-based Islamic State terrorism cell, the ABC understands.

www.abc.net.au

 

[Dalit]

@PakSword
We can open a separate thread btw. To answer your question why Muslims tend to do these activities.
Let's talk about us. I think the army's control and patronage of religious parties is mainly responsible for these incidents. They have supported IEA, Sunni Tehrik, TLP, etc before.
These groups openly express hate speech and violent threats. Sometimes, they commit lethal actions against minorities and others. Therefore, the followers and common citizens think of killing anyone on blasphemy or honour charges.
CM of the province defended the honour killing of a Baloch girl years after marriage. Similarly, lawyers and civili society hailed Mumtaz Qadri for killing the governor. Or common killers of blasphemy charges go scot free.

These things prompt citizens to take the law into their own hands around the world.

Whilst some of your comments are true, this specific case is solely related to Australia. These men were radicalised and brainwashed by an IS cell in Sydney

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Prime Minister Anthony Albanese confirmed Naveed Akram first came to ASIO's attention in October 2019 and was under investigation for a period of six months but there was an assessment he posed no ongoing threat.

The official said Naveed Akram was closely connected to Matari, who is serving seven years in jail for planning an IS insurgency as the self-declared Australian commander of the terrorist group.

Matari was part of an IS cell with several other Sydney men who have since been convicted of terrorist offences and were also close to Naveed Akram, according to sources with close knowledge of the matter.

ASIO director-general Mike Burgess said on Sunday that one of the gunmen was known to the agency, but did not specify which man.

"One of these individuals was known to us, but not in an immediate-threat perspective, so we need to look into what happened here," he said.

The JCTT comprises ASIO, NSW Police, the Australian Federal Police and the NSW Crime Commission.

The ABC understands investigators from the Joint Counter Terrorism Team (JCTT), a unit comprised of state and federal agencies, believe the gunmen had pledged allegiance to the IS terrorist group.

Two IS flags were found in their car at Bondi Beach, according to senior officials speaking on condition of anonymity.

One flag could be seen in footage from the scene on the bonnet of the car.

A senior JCTT official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said ASIO took an interest in Naveed Akram six years ago after police foiled plans for an IS terrorist attack.

ASIO examined Bondi Beach gunman in 2019 for ties to Islamic State cell

Australia's domestic intelligence agency, ASIO, examined one of the Bondi Beach gunmen six years ago for his close ties to a Sydney-based Islamic State terrorism cell, the ABC understands.

www.abc.net.au

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The question that you really should be asking is why the Australian authorities never detained these individuals.

 

[Distant_Observer]

Pakistani state cannot be held responsible for the actions of two individuals. Father son duo were indoctrinated by Islamic State in Australia.

ASIO examined Bondi Beach gunman Naveed Akram in 2019 for close ties to Islamic State cell​

One of the Bondi Beach gunmen came to the attention of Australia's domestic intelligence agency six years ago for his close ties to a Sydney-based Islamic State (IS) terrorism cell, the ABC understands.

Earlier today police revealed the two Bondi Beach gunmen were a father and son: Naveed Akram, 24, who is in hospital under police guard; and Sajid Akram, 50, who died exchanging gunfire with officers on Sunday.

ASIO examined Bondi Beach gunman in 2019 for ties to Islamic State cell

Australia's domestic intelligence agency, ASIO, examined one of the Bondi Beach gunmen six years ago for his close ties to a Sydney-based Islamic State terrorism cell, the ABC understands.

www.abc.net.au

What a retarded father, destroyed his family for that?

Turks and Emiratis or Indonesian or Malaysians don't do this.

This leaves a very sour taste in peoples mouths. It's seen as a betrayal of trust.

 

[Fasbre2]

Stop shit stirring on here rakesh

Rumour has it it was an Indian with a stolen pakistan passport…

Both were ISIS operatives. They got radicalised in Sydney. The Australian authorities were watching both, but apparently let them go.

let go because they were Israeli assets, ISiS is used by mossad for forwarding their agenda… hence why no ISIS attack ever occurred in Israel…

 

[Dalit]

What a retarded father, destroyed his family for that?

Turks and Emiratis or Indonesian or Malaysians don't do this.

This leaves a very sour taste in peoples mouths. It's seen as a betrayal of trust.

It is highly problematic. We have seen this behaviour before in the US and Britain too. Of course, you have individuals from other ethnicities that are also caught in such despicable acts. Still, Pakistanis aren't necessarily Arabs. The question does arise. Why are our people so susceptible to brainwashing?

 

[Dalit]

Rumour has it it was an Indian with a stolen pakistan passport…

let go because they were Israeli assets, ISiS is used by mossad for forwarding their agenda… hence why no ISIS attack ever occurred in Israel…

That doesn't answer the question why certain ethnic groups are more susceptible to brainwashing. This is a classic case of two individuals being radicalised at the hands of Islamic State.

Why would two individuals become Israeli assets and destroy their lives? Mossad or ISIS could approach any of us today, but would become suicidal? Your argument doesn't add up. It is too easy to blame this on Mossad.

@PakSword

 

[PakSword]

Pakistan-origin man living in Sydney falsely identified as Bondi Beach gunman fears his life is in danger

Man, who shares the same name as with one of the suspected shooters, issues plea for help; says he "can't go outside safely".

www.dawn.com

Pakistani guy falsely accused says indian accounts are spreading false propoganda against him.



no surprise there...

Golden opportunity for him to become a millionaire. He should take the Indian channels to court for spreading his photo and background information.

 

[PakSword]

That doesn't answer the question why certain ethnic groups are more susceptible to brainwashing. This is a classic case of two individuals radicalising at the hands of Islamic State.

@PakSword

Lack of knowledge, and we might have elements within our scholar ranks who work on some kind of foreign agenda..

 

[Goenitz]

Whilst some of your comments are true, this specific case is solely related to Australia. These men were radicalised and brainwashed by an IS cell in Sydney

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Prime Minister Anthony Albanese confirmed Naveed Akram first came to ASIO's attention in October 2019 and was under investigation for a period of six months but there was an assessment he posed no ongoing threat.

The official said Naveed Akram was closely connected to Matari, who is serving seven years in jail for planning an IS insurgency as the self-declared Australian commander of the terrorist group.

Matari was part of an IS cell with several other Sydney men who have since been convicted of terrorist offences and were also close to Naveed Akram, according to sources with close knowledge of the matter.

ASIO director-general Mike Burgess said on Sunday that one of the gunmen was known to the agency, but did not specify which man.

"One of these individuals was known to us, but not in an immediate-threat perspective, so we need to look into what happened here," he said.

The JCTT comprises ASIO, NSW Police, the Australian Federal Police and the NSW Crime Commission.

The ABC understands investigators from the Joint Counter Terrorism Team (JCTT), a unit comprised of state and federal agencies, believe the gunmen had pledged allegiance to the IS terrorist group.

Two IS flags were found in their car at Bondi Beach, according to senior officials speaking on condition of anonymity.

One flag could be seen in footage from the scene on the bonnet of the car.

A senior JCTT official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said ASIO took an interest in Naveed Akram six years ago after police foiled plans for an IS terrorist attack.

ASIO examined Bondi Beach gunman in 2019 for ties to Islamic State cell

Australia's domestic intelligence agency, ASIO, examined one of the Bondi Beach gunmen six years ago for his close ties to a Sydney-based Islamic State terrorism cell, the ABC understands.

www.abc.net.au

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The question that you really should be asking is why the Australian authorities never detained these individuals.

I know. I was referring to Paksword's questions about why Muslims get easily hired/motivated for such actions. Now see the pattern.
ICE's unnecessary violence against non-compliant immigrants. Or Kirk's killing reaction by locals. For sure, Americans didn't support the violence but stated Kirk deserved that.
Israelis erupted into anger around the world against people who supported the Palestinians. Thinking it is their right to go physical in such cases.

Hence, when racists or extremists get the public or government backing, the story travels everywhere, and people of similar backgrounds get the encouragement to repeat that anywhere.

 

[Dalit]

I know. But see the pattern.
ICE unnecessary violence against non-compliant immigrants. Or Kirk's killing reaction by locals. For sure, Americans didn't support the violence but stated Kirk deserved that.
Israelis erupted into anger around the world, who supported the Palestinians. Thinking it is their right to go physical in such cases.

Hence, when racists or extremists get the public or government backing, the story travels everywhere, and people of similar backgrounds get the encouragement to repeat that anywhere.

One could also argue that other Islamic immigrants who are never involved in such acts would also be suscpectible to the same brainwashing and propaganda? Yet, they are not. This is something else.

I have an idea. The problem with us is that we are always cheerleading for others. We are more loyal than the king. It will be very interesting to see what motivated these individuals to carry out such a henrious attack.

 

[Distant_Observer]

They're Indians

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[Dalit]

Lack of knowledge, and we might have elements within our scholar ranks who work on some kind of foreign agenda..

Bro, it goes further. We are always very vocal about issues that aren't even directly related to us. It is one thing to be passionate about a cause. It is an entirely different thing when you become obsessed and take it to the next level.

Some members have asked the difficult question. There are a handful of ethnic groups that are often linked wtith such acts. There is a reaosn for that. This behaviour can be attributed to extremism. When you become extreme in any idea or throught, this is the violent outcome.