Gunman opens fire at crowded Australia beach, people rush for shelter

I mean given the stats you mentioned about the mass shooting in Australia kinda speaks for itself, even some extra steps can undermine lazy people like me from even trying to get one, but i still believe that harder strictions can be applied for the least for civilians to own guns, or maybe like limit number of guns can be owned by one man/household, idk how that will work but definitely not comfortable around people owning guns, I mean not long ago even in Tampa I saw in news that few shots were fired during a road rage incident.

Even a thought that people will go as far as saying that if Govt ban guns that could cause civil war 2.0 is extremely crazy to me, I mean I understand some people like guns and all but people needs to calm down, its just guns and nothing that could drive people crazy to do something that dramatic. The world is on edge and US internal politics is no secret, although things are still under control, and I hope it remain so because US stronger justice system and internal institutions keep things in check, but people are definitely on edge.

not related, but last week I kinda experience my first mini road rage incident when I was coming back from work, we were at 30 mph zone at 9 am in the morning, the guy driving a 4x4 Truck was trying to over take, its a 2 lane road I was in right lane, and another guy in left land we were both at 35ish mph, he keep honking to both of us go faster, then person in left lane turn left and at traffic we stopped, he pointed towards me to rolled down window and started yelling for me going 35 in a 30mhp zone within school times, I told him that there are police patrols in this road and i am not getting a ticket because of him, and he said I just have to give him space and I was idiot its a 2 lane where would I go? to overtake the car on left I have to overspeed than you can take that right lane, but he just keep yelling and i rolled over my window and as I drive he flipped me over... that's how much people are on edge everyday.


I think the high casualties was because this had never happened, at least not in this scale before in Australia… That’s why their police probably didn’t know how to react as the death toll climbed. In the US their police would have ended this fairly quickly and easily.
 
I think the high casualties was because this had never happened, at least not in this scale before in Australia… That’s why their police probably didn’t know how to react as the death toll climbed. In the US their police would have ended this fairly quickly and easily.
Point is not that, once the shooting begins and even 1 person died the damage is done, and people start using the incident for their own heinous political and global agenda's, but yes given how many mass shootings happen in USA they are more better equipped to deal with such situations.
 
Point is not that, once the shooting begins and even 1 person died the damage is done, and people start using the incident for their own heinous political and global agenda's, but yes given how many mass shootings happen in USA they are more better equipped to deal with such situations.



Father and son attack did not only the use of Firearms but also they had homemade improvised explosive devices thank God they failed to go off. And more stricter gun laws won’t solve anything. Murderers who want to commit mass murder will use knives and cars instead.
 
In light of the tragic shooting at Bondi Beach in Sydney, where innocent lives were lost during a peaceful Hanukkah celebration, it is important to clarify the true teachings of Islam on the sanctity of human life. Islam places immense value on every innocent soul, regardless of faith, and strictly prohibits the deliberate killing of any non-combatant—Muslim or non-Muslim. Such acts are among the gravest sins, condemned unequivocally in the Quran and the authentic Sunnah of the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him).

The Quran and Hadith make clear that unlawful killing is a major transgression with severe consequences in the hereafter, and no justification exists for targeting innocents in peacetime or outside legitimate combat rules.

Key Quranic Verses

- Surah Al-Ma’idah, Verse 32: "Because of that, We decreed upon the Children of Israel that whoever kills a soul unless for a soul or for corruption [done] in the land—it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves one—it is as if he had saved mankind entirely..." This verse, applicable to Muslims, equates killing one innocent soul to killing all of humanity, emphasizing the universal sanctity of life, whether Muslim or non-Muslim.

This verse affirm that taking an innocent life—Muslim or non-Muslim—is a heinous sin with dire consequences, permissible only in strictly defined cases of justice through court of law.

- Surah Al-Ma’idah, Verse 33: "Indeed, the penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive upon earth [to cause] corruption [to spread corruption on earth] is none but that they be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from opposite sides or that they be exiled from the land..." This specifies punishments for those who actively wage war and cause corruption, but the process should be just through open court of law as in other verse in the quran Allah says
Surah An-Nisa (4:135)
"O you who have believed, be persistently standing firm in justice, witnesses for Allah, even if it be against yourselves or parents and relatives. Whether one is rich or poor, Allah is more worthy of both. So follow not [personal] inclination, lest you not be just. And if you distort [your testimony] or refuse [to give it], then indeed Allah is ever, of what you do, Acquainted."
(Sahih International translation)
Surah Al-Ma'idah (5:8)
"O you who have believed, be persistently standing firm for Allah, witnesses in justice, and do not let the hatred of a people prevent you from being just. Be just; that is nearer to righteousness. And fear Allah; indeed, Allah is Acquainted with what you do."

Islam does not permit killing of any innocent civilians, even in conflict.

- Surah An-Nisa (4:92): "It is not for a believer to kill a believer except by mistake. And whoever kills a believer by mistake, it is ordained that he should free a believing slave and pay compensation to the deceased’s family unless they remit it freely."

This verse emphasizes that even accidental killing of a believer requires significant atonement, underscoring the sanctity of a believer’s life.


- Surah An-Nisa (4:93): "But whoever kills a believer intentionally, his recompense is Hell, wherein he will abide eternally, and Allah has become angry with him and has cursed him and has prepared for him a great punishment."

This verse warns of severe divine punishment for intentional murder of a believer, highlighting its gravity.

These verses affirm the universal sanctity of innocent life.

Authentic Hadith (Sayings of Prophet Muhammad (ﷺ) Emphasizing the Prohibition of inoocent killings both for muslims and non muslims.

The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) reinforced these teachings through his words and actions:

- Sahih al-Bukhari 6864 and Sahih Muslim 4381: "Narrated `Abdullah: The Prophet said, The first cases to be decided among the people (on the Day of Resurrection) will be those of blood-shed (unjust killings). '"

- Sahih al-Bukhari (3166):
Narrated Abdullah bin Amr: The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "Whoever killed a person having a treaty with the Muslims shall not smell the fragrance of Paradise, though its fragrance can be smelt from a distance of forty years."
This explicitly protects non-Muslims under peace or protection; killing them unlawfully bars one from Paradise.

- Sahih al-Bukhari 6896: Ibn 'Umar said: A boy was assassinated. 'Umar said, If all the people of San'a took part in the assassination I would kill them all. Al-Mughira bin Hakim said that his father said, Four persons killed a boy, and 'Umar said (as above).

- Sahih Muslim 277: It is narrated on the authority of Usama b. Zaid that the Messenger of Allah ( ‌صلی ‌اللہ ‌علیہ ‌وسلم ‌ ) sent us in a raiding party. We raided Huraqat of Juhaina in the morning. I caught hold of a man and he said:
There is no god but Allah, I attacked him with a spear. It once occurred to me and I talked about it to the Apostle ( ‌صلی ‌اللہ ‌علیہ ‌وسلم ‌ ). The Messenger of Allah ( ‌صلی ‌اللہ ‌علیہ ‌وسلم ‌ ) said: Did he profess There is no god but Allah, and even then you killed him? I said: Messenger of Allah, he made a profession of it out of the fear of the weapon. He (the Holy Prophet) observed: Did you tear his heart in order to find out whether it had professed or not? And he went on repeating it to me till I wished I had embraced Islam that day.

This teaches that even in battle, a declaration of faith or surrender must be respected, and doubt does not justify killing.

- Jami` at-Tirmidhi 3029: Narrated 'Amr bin Dinar: from Ibn 'Abbas that the Prophet (ﷺ) said: On the Day of Judgement, the murdered will come with the murderer's scalp and his head in his hand, and his jugular vein flowing blood saying: 'O Lord! This one killed me!' Until he comes close to the Throne. So they mentioned repentance to Ibn 'Abbas, and he recited this Ayah: And whoever kills a believer intentionally then his recompense is Hell (4:93 surah nisa ayat 93). He said: This Ayah was not abrogated nor (its ruling) replaced so from where is his repentance?


- Sunan Ibn Majah (3932):
The Prophet (ﷺ) said while circumambulating the Ka'bah: "How good you are and how good your fragrance... But by the One in Whose Hand is the soul of Muhammad, the sanctity of the believer is greater before Allah than your sanctity—his blood, his wealth, and that we think nothing but good of him."

Islam distinguishes clearly between combatants in legitimate defense and innocent civilians. Deliberate attacks on non-combatants, regardless of religion, contradict core Islamic principles of justice, mercy, and protection of life. Rather it has severe consequences on the day of judgement and in some cases it is an act that can take you to the very hell from which all muslims are advised to save themselves.

These references are from authentic sources (Quran, and authentic hadees (saying of prophet) e.g., Sahih Bukhari, Sahih Muslim, Sunan Ibn Majah, Jami' at-Tirmidhi). Anyone seeking further understanding is encouraged to study them directly.

May Allah guide us all to peace and protect innocent lives everywhere.
 
Think he was shot after he disarmed the father

But yeah, he could have been stunned and just didn't know what to do, or maybe the shotgun is empty. I wouldn't have any idea.
I heard he grab the shooter when he was reloading so most probably the shotgun was empty and not reloaded.
 
Let him embarrass himself. He cant even accept a Muslim was the hero. Just cant find it within himself to accept Mr Ahmed was a Syrian…..
Didn’t really check to see who you are talking about just assuming it’s king Solomon I still don’t think he should be sporting a Pakistan flag especially when he only uses it more for insult than coexistence
 
@Musings @Mr X if you guys can change his pfp , please do
You know I even brought it up to @RescueRanger this guy has been pretending to be someone he’s not he thought he was from area in Pakistan that has some kind of Jewish lineage I’m like naaa this boy is a straight up Zionist sociopath(not dissing Jewish people for him he’s just a Zionist wannabe)
 
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Musings, it's clear that attempts at refuting the Israel-committing-genocide meme here at PDF is forbidden. Such a restriction on free speech can only be because that the idea is too useful at jew-bashing, yes? - which in turn powers and justifies the antisemitism that so many hold dear to their hearts.
There can never be room for anti-Semitism including anti-Semitic tropes. It’s also important to differentiate the call for a Jewish homeland and Zionism specifically, and recognise that anti-Zionism is not equal to anti-semitism. Likewise, it is possible to be a Zionist anti-Semite.

It’s also fair to say you should be able to present your evidence for why Israel is not committing a genocide and others can present the evidence for why Israel is committing a genocide. From the onset, we should establish a transparent and clear threshold of evidence otherwise any discussion / debate is futile. I think it’s also very relevant and helpful to have a definition for who is considered a Jew; if an ethnic Jew holds anti-Israeli beliefs the exact same as a non-Jew does, is that Jew considered less Jewish?
 
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Let’s move on with the whole Indian thing he can be a Chinese Honduran with some Irish in him doesn’t change the fact this was a cowardly attack let’s stop with the conspiracies it’s really dumbing people go to real news sites not random twitter feeds and like I tell my wife don’t tell me what tik tok says
 
All knowing ai
News reports indicate that one of the Bondi shooters, Sajid Akram, was reportedly of
Pakistani origin, not Indian, and his son was an Australian-born citizen.

Again does it really matter if the father was from Pakistan originally no because like I said your nationality doesn’t make you crazy it’s the person whose crazy not the whole of that people
 
All knowing ai
News reports indicate that one of the Bondi shooters, Sajid Akram, was reportedly of
Pakistani origin, not Indian, and his son was an Australian-born citizen.

Again does it really matter if the father was from Pakistan originally no because like I said your nationality doesn’t make you crazy it’s the person whose crazy not the whole of that people
Which is AI Jeet?
 

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