Gunman opens fire at crowded Australia beach, people rush for shelter

Starlord said:
How strict are Australia's laws when it comes to Guns? in comparison to USA ?
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The main different is you need a license to own firearms in Australia, the current law (to which they are most likely going to change) is that you need to apply for a firearms license in Australia with the Police, and that can only be done when you join a club and they send in a form (You can also apply directly to the Police if you are going for a Cat A Gaming license or Cat C/D for vermin control if you are the land owner) That is the major difference.

The application is more or less like what the US does to you if you want to buy a gun, which is to run your background on an NCIC check; that's the same here in Australia. You apply for a gun license, and they will run your name with an AFP check, and if you pass the check, which includes a mental health check, then you are granted a Firearms license. Then you will need permission to buy a firearm from the firearm registry, becuase every legally owned gun are in an AFP database, so basically they have the final say on whether or not you can get a particular firearm.

In oppose to I can go to my local dealer in the US, give them my driver's license and my SSN and I can buy a gun directly from them. And depends on the states, I can bring them home immediately in states like Kansas or Texas, or you need to wait for a cooling-down period before you can go pick up your firearms.
 
I think its almost futile for Muslims living in West to try to wake up western Govts over the influence Israel have, or tag them in tweets of Israeli's or IDF openly making videos of their war crimes they (western Govts) will not drop out Israel for any and every Muslim country, they will completely disown and disregard their own Muslim citizens deaths if its down by IDF/Israeli's, in Gaza several Americans died and neither Biden nor Trump Govt even condemn it, World is heading towards a one Govt which will control every other so called Independent country, AI will be use to track and completely destroy people's lives, frustrated people will use random acts of violence, Terrorists organizations will keep radicalizing youth for their own agenda, I think those Muslims Desi or Goray should just live their own lives and avoid social media or public protesting because none of it will have any impact on the lives of Muslims living in west or those unfortunate countries that were been bombed, that are been bombed and will be bombed in future, I know many people will disagree with me here on this but in West when it comes to Israel a Muslim man/organization will have little to no justice, so i think just don't waste your time/effort in trying to wake the western govts up, yes people are very aware of Genocide and they sided with Palestine, but what comes out it? ZERO Ziltch NADA... this Bondi Attack is one example that Muslims can spend years trying to make a peaceful image and it will take one attack like that to bring all negative lime light to Muslims again, a religion practice by roughly 1.8 Billion Muslims and not surprising that few Millions are radicalized and do criminal acts like these. And I also believe that we need to stop worrying about numbers, trying to covert every Tom Dick and harry into Islam, we need more Educated/level minded intellectuals not emotional or emotionally unstable people.
 
j_hungary said:
The main different is you need a license to own firearms in Australia, the current law (to which they are most likely going to change) is that you need to apply for a firearms license in Australia with the Police, and that can only be done when you join a club and they send in a form (You can also apply directly to the Police if you are going for a Cat A Gaming license or Cat C/D for vermin control if you are the land owner) That is the major difference.

The application is more or less like what the US does to you if you want to buy a gun, which is to run your background on an NCIC check; that's the same here in Australia. You apply for a gun license, and they will run your name with an AFP check, and if you pass the check, which includes a mental health check, then you are granted a Firearms license. Then you will need permission to buy a firearm from the firearm registry, becuase every legally owned gun are in an AFP database, so basically they have the final say on whether or not you can get a particular firearm.

In oppose to I can go to my local dealer in the US, give them my driver's license and my SSN and I can buy a gun directly from them. And depends on the states, I can bring them home immediately in states like Kansas or Texas, or you need to wait for a cooling-down period before you can go pick up your firearms.
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Wow the Australia rule sounds very difficult, If i was in Australia that process alone will exhaust me from buying a gun, regardless of whether i want to own one or not, which In my opinion is good, hope USA will implement something that too if what you say about USA gun laws is true, which I trust you on that one.
I mean last bad/terrible incident attack I hear from that Aus-NZ part of the world was Christ church Mosque Attacks which killed 50 Muslim worshipers, by a Australian man in NZ, after that attack this would be the one in many years, and I guess its because of strict gun laws, you can't predict who will go crazy or lose their mind at what time no matter how many mental health checks are done, people with criminal backgrounds can somehow own guns from I guess underground gangs or something?

Not sure what guns are used in this attack but it looks like a Rifle or Shotgun? But if Australia strict their gun laws even more that's better, its not in govt hands to stop people from getting radicalized or losing their minds but at least controlling the access of guns is sure in their hands.
 
Condolences to the community.

Every nation and country is fighting this universal evil of terrorism. Australia is one of the countries in the world where British colonial legacy continues to impact humanity. Despite this colonial legacy of antisemitism, Australia is one of the safest countries for the Jewish people.
 
Oracle said:
I don't have to Prove my nationality to some key board warrior 😂. Unlike you I have some job and work so can't focus on news


And Yeah just saw video on twitter about j shakar call.. That video is altered and fake as well.


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Silly joker, think you are the only one who has a job… this is my evening entertainment.. relaxation from work… etc.. especially seeing Indian’s with egg on their face, always trying to malign Pak…

Now run along little boy, get your mum to pack your tiffin box in your little rucksack… and go do your coding monkey job… Oracle da chacha…
 
INDIA IN BIG BIG BIG TROUBLE.... MAJAY HI MAJAY..
THIS UNKNOWN GUNMEN MANTRA THAT RAW WAS PLAYING WITH, IS ABOUT TO COME BITE THEIR ARSE AND COST INDIA DEARLY. ..
GUARANTEED GUARANTEED LOSS OF TERRITORY
 
Starlord said:
Wow the Australia rule sounds very difficult, If i was in Australia that process alone will exhaust me from buying a gun, regardless of whether i want to own one or not, which In my opinion is good, hope USA will implement something that too if what you say about USA gun laws is true, which I trust you on that one.
I mean last bad/terrible incident attack I hear from that Aus-NZ part of the world was Christ church Mosque Attacks which killed 50 Muslim worshipers, by a Australian man in NZ, after that attack this would be the one in many years, and I guess its because of strict gun laws, you can't predict who will go crazy or lose their mind at what time no matter how many mental health checks are done, people with criminal backgrounds can somehow own guns from I guess underground gangs or something?

Not sure what guns are used in this attack but it looks like a Rifle or Shotgun? But if Australia strict their gun laws even more that's better, its not in govt hands to stop people from getting radicalized or losing their minds but at least controlling the access of guns is sure in their hands.
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Well, it's really not that difficult; it's just some extra steps, and most of them don't require you to do anything. All you need is to go to a gun club, make an application, they will give you a safety course, and then they will apply for the license for you. Then you wait until they tell you to go for an interview.

The last mass shooting here in Australia is the Monash University shooting in 2002, in which a gunman (an international student) killed 2 and wounded 5. Then the one before that is the infamous Port Arthur massacre in 1996, where the last mass shooting in NZ is, as you said, the mosque shooting.

US will NEVER adopt any Australian and New Zealand-style gun law, that's just wishful thinking. We used to have a 10-year ban on Assault rifles during Clinton era, and that faced many drawbacks and they decided not to renew it. Banning guns is most often cited as the reason for a US Civil War 2.0 if that ever happens.
 
j_hungary said:
Well, it's really not that difficult; it's just some extra steps, and most of them don't require you to do anything. All you need is to go to a gun club, make an application, they will give you a safety course, and then they will apply for the license for you. Then you wait until they tell you to go for an interview.

The last mass shooting here in Australia is the Monash University shooting in 2002, in which a gunman (an international student) killed 2 and wounded 5. Then the one before that is the infamous Port Arthur massacre in 1996, where the last mass shooting in NZ is, as you said, the mosque shooting.

US will NEVER adopt any Australian and New Zealand-style gun law, that's just wishful thinking. We used to have a 10-year ban on Assault rifles during Clinton era, and that faced many drawbacks and they decided not to renew it. Banning guns is most often cited as the reason for a US Civil War 2.0 if that ever happens.
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I mean given the stats you mentioned about the mass shooting in Australia kinda speaks for itself, even some extra steps can undermine lazy people like me from even trying to get one, but i still believe that harder strictions can be applied for the least for civilians to own guns, or maybe like limit number of guns can be owned by one man/household, idk how that will work but definitely not comfortable around people owning guns, I mean not long ago even in Tampa I saw in news that few shots were fired during a road rage incident.

Even a thought that people will go as far as saying that if Govt ban guns that could cause civil war 2.0 is extremely crazy to me, I mean I understand some people like guns and all but people needs to calm down, its just guns and nothing that could drive people crazy to do something that dramatic. The world is on edge and US internal politics is no secret, although things are still under control, and I hope it remain so because US stronger justice system and internal institutions keep things in check, but people are definitely on edge.

not related, but last week I kinda experience my first mini road rage incident when I was coming back from work, we were at 30 mph zone at 9 am in the morning, the guy driving a 4x4 Truck was trying to over take, its a 2 lane road I was in right lane, and another guy in left land we were both at 35ish mph, he keep honking to both of us go faster, then person in left lane turn left and at traffic we stopped, he pointed towards me to rolled down window and started yelling for me going 35 in a 30mhp zone within school times, I told him that there are police patrols in this road and i am not getting a ticket because of him, and he said I just have to give him space and I was idiot its a 2 lane where would I go? to overtake the car on left I have to overspeed than you can take that right lane, but he just keep yelling and i rolled over my window and as I drive he flipped me over... that's how much people are on edge everyday.
 
j_hungary said:
The latest toll is unchanged from yesterday.

16 killed (including the terrorist Sajid Akram)
41 hospitalised (including the terrorist Naveed Akram)

There are 3 different inquiries to be launched by the Law Enforcement Agency,

The shooting death of 15 victims.
The Police response
The background of the 2 terrorists.

They are looking into how the father and son are radicalized. The Law Enforcement currently believes the father was radicalized overseas, and the son locally.

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These days unfortunately not allot is needed to make someone radicalised. The genocide in Gaza can turn any weak minded person into something full of anger and hate. Most normal people are affected by dead kids and innocent civilians being brutalised something we all have been seeing for over 2 years. Then just like that, hate leads to violence against those who are blamed by association. We saw the same in Christchurch when a mosque was attacked and worshipers killed.

Sometimes the most obvious thing is hitting us in the face yet we are searching for clues in other places.
 
Musings said:
Ot once did you show any sign that raping women and killing children is a war crime. Not once did you condone that behaviour - yet you come on here and make insinuations of antisemitism? Stop being a complete tool.
You cant handle us in saying this attack was horrific - you cant accept a Muslim stepped in to stop more bloodshed.
We detest zionism.
I dont make it personal but you denying all the bad that the IDF committed makes you perhaps one of the lowest forms of human.
Your boys deliberately killed babies incubators and mass grave creators - killed people waiting for food deliveries and shot people in the back whilst praying.
You have no right to talk sh1t on here.
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It is this larger conflation with the zionist occupation and straws they need to clench on to further their project that I feel this thread should not exist independently of their genocide in Gaza. Because, hasbara is already hell bent on scoring points... furthering their occupation, genocide and pushing for a war against Iran simultaneously.
 
Thinking said:
Summary of 60 pages
1) Savior was muslim.
2) Killer was once Afghan scum but now an Indian scum.
3) Jews were killed which is all good.

This thread has all things except the fact that killers were Muslim and civilians have been killed in a terror attack. India sent a "Muslim" strike team to assassinate "Jews" which was no doubt a RAW-MOSAD collaboration.

And I thought Durandhar was pushing the limit of silly.
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Number 3 is a disgraceful thing that he slipped in, as a generic comment

@Musings @Fatman17
 
Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ said:
It is this larger conflation with the zionist occupation and straws they need to clench on to further their project that I feel this thread should not exist independently of their genocide in Gaza. Because, hasbara is already hell bent on scoring points... furthering their occupation, genocide and pushing for a war against Iran simultaneously.
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Let him embarrass himself. He cant even accept a Muslim was the hero. Just cant find it within himself to accept Mr Ahmed was a Syrian…..
 
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