"It Is Ours Too": Pakistan Brings Back Sanskrit, Plans Gita, Mahabharata Studies

[Guynextdoor]

Sure buddy

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In 2010 you bankrupted the whole world and survived on bailout since then. You are the chernobyl of the world economy.

India does not have that track record - ever. And when we approached IMF for bailout on 1992, we repaid well ahead of time and became net creditor to the IMF

Your POV on India is like the POV of Chernobyl on nuclear safety. Stop being an economic nuclear hazard first. You are not qualified for this evaluation.

 

[Master Chief]

Judging by this thread, Indian friends are evidently quite troubled by this move. Similarly, they are concerned by us demanding that Hindustanis refrain from misappropriation of our ancient Pakistani (i.e. true " Indian") Harappan history.

Let me explain why the gangetics are so concerned.

When the Vedics (Aryans) arrived from the Eurasian Steppe, one of their first targets for reprogramming or elimination was the mlecchas. They brought a caste system with them to try and achieve this goal. They invented abstinence from beef to try and further facilitate "caste differences". The mlecchas ate beef and all meats and never believed in caste at all.

Who were these mlecchas that they waged war against, as per their own scriptures?

None other than "meluhha", the Sumerian word for the Harappans (our very own Indus Valley Civilisation).

The gangetics worship these Eurasian Steppeland migrants as fathers of modern vedic hinduism and fathers of the akhand bharat concept. Half of them are calling their kids "Aryan" or some fashionable variant thereof, in subservient homage to this legacy left by the pale skinned migrants.

The war waged by Hindustanis against Pakistanis is truly an ancient one and is one that always sought to appropriate and absorb our identity through deception and subterfuge. This is why we will continue to challenge them to even think of continuing the job the Aryan migrants attempted to start all those centuries ago, and whenever they make the mistake of trying such things, they are duly reminded of their true aukat by the children of the Indus.

 

[Foinikas]

The war waged by Hindustanis against Pakistanis is truly an ancient one and is one that always sought to appropriate and absorb our identity through deception and subterfuge. This is why we will continue to challenge them to even think of continuing the job the Aryan migrants attempted to start all those centuries ago, and whenever they make the mistake of trying such things, they are duly reminded of their true aukat by the children of the Indus.

I never knew there was such a possiblity,such a dimension on the whole thing. Actually I find it interesting.

 

[El Sidd]

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For the first time since Partition, Sanskrit has made its way back into classrooms in Pakistan. The Lahore University of Management Sciences (LUMS) has launched a four-credit course in the classical language, an initiative that grew out of a three-month weekend workshop that received strong interest from students and scholars.

As part of the course, students are also being exposed to the Urdu rendition of "Hai katha sangram ki", the iconic theme from the Mahabharat television series.

Dr Ali Usman Qasmi, Director of the Gurmani Centre, told The Tribune that Pakistan has one of the richest yet most neglected Sanskrit archives at the Punjab University library. "A significant collection of Sanskrit palm-leaf manuscripts was catalogued in the 1930s by scholar JCR Woolner, but no Pakistani academic has engaged with this collection since 1947. Only foreign researchers use it. Training scholars locally will change that," he said.

The university also aims to expand with upcoming courses on the Mahabharata and the Bhagavad Gita. "In 10-15 years, we could see Pakistan-based scholars of the Gita and the Mahabharata," Dr Qasmi said.

"It Is Ours Too": Pakistan Brings Back Sanskrit, Plans Gita, Mahabharata Studies​

The university also aims to expand with upcoming courses on the Mahabharata and the Bhagavad Gita. "In 10-15 years, we could see Pakistan-based scholars of the Gita and the Mahabharata," Dr Qasmi said.​

The change has been brought about through the efforts of Dr Shahid Rasheed, Associate Professor of Sociology at Forman Christian College.

"Classical languages contain much wisdom for mankind. I started with learning Arabic and Persian, and then studied Sanskrit," Dr Rasheed said. Adding that he relied on learning through online platforms, studying under Cambridge Sanskrit scholar Antonia Ruppel and Australian Indologist McComas Taylor. "It took almost a year to cover classical Sanskrit grammar. And I'm still studying it."

Dr Rasheed said that people often question his choice to study Sanskrit. "I tell them, why should we not learn it? It is the binding language of the entire region. Sanskrit grammarian Panini's village was in this region. Much writing was done here during the Indus Valley Civilisation. Sanskrit is like a mountain – a cultural monument. We need to own it. It is ours too; it's not tied to any one particular religion."

He said that South Asia will see a more cohesive state of affairs if people try to learn each other's classical traditions. "Imagine if more Hindus and Sikhs in India started learning Arabic, and more Muslims in Pakistan took up Sanskrit, it could be a fresh, hopeful start for South Asia, where languages become bridges instead of barriers."
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https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/it-is-ours-too-pakistan-brings-back-sanskrit-plans-bhagavad-gita-mahabharata-studies-9800672

Sir will Mahabharata and Gita be offered as religious curriculum or historical studies?

The Indian link does not provide any information. The political opinion making is also very amateurish. Please avoid Indian links.

 

[panzerfaust 3]

Judging by this thread, Indian friends are evidently quite troubled by this move. Similarly, they are concerned by us demanding that Hindustanis refrain from misappropriation of our ancient Pakistani (i.e. true " Indian") Harappan history.

Let me explain why the gangetics are so concerned.

When the Vedics (Aryans) arrived from the Eurasian Steppe, one of their first targets for reprogramming or elimination was the mlecchas. They brought a caste system with them to try and achieve this goal. They invented abstinence from beef to try and further facilitate "caste differences". The mlecchas ate beef and all meats and never believed in caste at all.

Who were these mlecchas that they waged war against, as per their own scriptures?

None other than "meluhha", the Sumerian word for the Harappans (our very own Indus Valley Civilisation).

The gangetics worship these Eurasian Steppeland migrants as fathers of modern vedic hinduism and fathers of the akhand bharat concept. Half of them are calling their kids "Aryan" or some fashionable variant thereof, in subservient homage to this legacy left by the pale skinned migrants.

The war waged by Hindustanis against Pakistanis is truly an ancient one and is one that always sought to appropriate and absorb our identity through deception and subterfuge. This is why we will continue to challenge them to even think of continuing the job the Aryan migrants attempted to start all those centuries ago, and whenever they make the mistake of trying such things, they are duly reminded of their true aukat by the children of the Indus.

Man!
Do you have any other,less-bastardized
Ideology? (That you believe)

I have always revered the unique quality of Pakistanis - they can create history out of nothing and bend the established facts as they go

 

[Master Chief]

Man!
Do you have any other,less-bastardized
Ideology? (That you believe)

I have always revered the unique quality of Pakistanis - they can create history out of nothing and bend the established facts as they go

The creation of a nation state called "India" by Pandit Jawarlal Nehru on 15th August 1947, while knowing full well that the River Indus and its legacy civilisation was not the substantive part of this new nation state, is the PRECISE DEFINITION of the bolded text in your comment.

Your nation should have been called Bharat or Hindustan or anything else on its inception, yet Nehru chose deliberately to appropriate a neighbouring nation's ancient history and birthright.

The appropriation continues to this day, and Pakistan, the true inheritors of the IVC, will reject your assertions. You will remain confused until we sort this mess out - understandable.

@Foinikas for your interest, I have often drawn a similarity between Pakistan's objection to India even calling itself "India" in the above context, with FYROM using "Macedonia" in its identity politics, when the true historical Macedonia of Philip and Alexander actually has nothing to do with .

It is partly our own fault in Pakistan that this has happened, but now we are pushing back against false projections of pseudo-history from neighbouring nations.

 

[Foinikas]

@Foinikas for your interest, I have often drawn a similarity between Pakistan's objection to India even calling itself "India" in the above context, with FYROM using "Macedonia" in its identity politics, when the true historical Macedonia of Philip and Alexander actually has nothing to do with .

It is partly our own fault in Pakistan that this has happened, but now we are pushing back against false projections of pseudo-history from neighbouring nations.

Interesting! I had no idea there could be such difference.

 

[Vikramaditya1]

my grand mother wrote poetry in Hindi. I will like to learn to read and write Sanskrit.

Your grandma was right though. Sanskrit learning is a pointless excercise unless you want to pivot to research on theologies. But most of Hindu theologies are already translated, so learning Sanskrit is more like performative excercise. There is no practical use for Sanskrit. Learn Hindi and Devanagari script given you already know Urdu it'll be a lot easier for you to catch the script.

 

[Foinikas]

Your grandma was right though. Sanskrit learning is a pointless excercise unless you want to pivot to research on theologies. But most of Hindu theologies are already translated, so learning Sanskrit is more like performative excercise. There is no practical use for Sanskrit. Learn Hindi and Devanagari script given you already know Urdu it'll be a lot easier for you to catch the script.

Sorry if I have it wrong,but the script now used for Hindi is called Devangari? That's the standard script,right? It's not just called Sanskrit? I could google it,but if we start googling everything there will be no conversations anywhere.

 

[Watandar]

In 2010 you bankrupted the whole world and survived on bailout since then. You are the chernobyl of the world economy.

India does not have that track record - ever. And when we approached IMF for bailout on 1992, we repaid well ahead of time and became net creditor to the IMF

Your POV on India is like the POV of Chernobyl on nuclear safety. Stop being an economic nuclear hazard first. You are not qualified for this evaluation.

You have confused Greece with Wall Street.

 

[Cipher212]

Good to have people in Pakistan who can speak Sanskrit fluently. Indian military should not have access to any language that we can't understand.

 

[Vikramaditya1]

Sorry if I have it wrong,but the script now used for Hindi is called Devangari? That's the standard script,right? It's not just called Sanskrit? I could google it,but if we start googling everything there will be no conversations anywhere.

Yes. There is two scripts for Sanskrit Brahmi are the oldest ones and later developed into Devanagari. Brahmi looks like Egyptian hieroglyph, Devanagari and it's derivatives are the standard script for most Indian languages.

 

[Vikramaditya1]

Good to have people in Pakistan who can speak Sanskrit fluently. Indian military should not have access to any language that we can't understand.

There are South Indian languages without even a proper script say Kodavas a major martial community in South who disproportionately join military I don't think anyone understands Kodava language not even AI. Nobody uses Sanskrit in military communication it looks like Hindi and a lot of Urdu words are from Sanskrit.

 

[Kambojaric]

Judging by this thread, Indian friends are evidently quite troubled by this move. Similarly, they are concerned by us demanding that Hindustanis refrain from misappropriation of our ancient Pakistani (i.e. true " Indian") Harappan history.

Let me explain why the gangetics are so concerned.

When the Vedics (Aryans) arrived from the Eurasian Steppe, one of their first targets for reprogramming or elimination was the mlecchas. They brought a caste system with them to try and achieve this goal. They invented abstinence from beef to try and further facilitate "caste differences". The mlecchas ate beef and all meats and never believed in caste at all.

Who were these mlecchas that they waged war against, as per their own scriptures?

None other than "meluhha", the Sumerian word for the Harappans (our very own Indus Valley Civilisation).

The gangetics worship these Eurasian Steppeland migrants as fathers of modern vedic hinduism and fathers of the akhand bharat concept. Half of them are calling their kids "Aryan" or some fashionable variant thereof, in subservient homage to this legacy left by the pale skinned migrants.

The war waged by Hindustanis against Pakistanis is truly an ancient one and is one that always sought to appropriate and absorb our identity through deception and subterfuge. This is why we will continue to challenge them to even think of continuing the job the Aryan migrants attempted to start all those centuries ago, and whenever they make the mistake of trying such things, they are duly reminded of their true aukat by the children of the Indus.

I have to agree and disagree with some of your points here. DNA evidence shows us that the steppe input (Aryan) in South Asia peaks in Afghanistan/Western Pakistan and then gradually tapers off the further eastwards and southwards you move.

Ancient ancestral South Indian (the mixture of the indigenous South Asian population with neolithic farmers from further west) meanwhile peaks in South and East India. In Pakistan meanwhile this heritage forms only 10-40% of the total DNA makeup suggesting that the genetic impact of the Aryans was most widely felt in Pakistan/Afghanistan + parts of NW India (especially their Brahmin class)



I do however agree with you on the matter of Hindu nationalists being concerned about increased interest for ancient regional history in Pakistan, as they today have a monopoly on its instruction and modern interpretation.

Pakistani nationalism due to the nature in which it came into existence has ceeded the pre-medieval historical phases of regional history to Hindu nationalists. This in turn has allowed them to bastardize our history for their own benefit.

The history of the Indus in many ways is unique to the experience of Aryan migration compared to the Gangetic plains as strict ethnic and racial dogma did not seem to impact the Indus culture in the same way that it did in the Ganges. This can be most clearly be shown by the lax attitude of locals towards the developing caste system. We know from Buddhist scriptures (Majjhima Nikaya) that the Buddha said to a Brahmin:

have you heard this: that in the Yona, Kamboja and other border countries, there are only two varnas or social classes, arya, master, and dasa, sevant: that an arya may become a dasa and a dasa may become an arya

The key here is Kamboja which in this time period roughly relates to N Punjab+ KPK. We know that a large part if not majority of Sindh and lower Punjabs population at the time of Bin Qasims invasion was Buddhist. Buddhism peaked and survived in areas of South Asia where the caste system was least rigid.

There are many aspects of our ancient history whose presence we can still feel to this day. When Pakistan ranks as one of the least racist countries in the world and we witness travel vloggers from all kinds of backgrounds witnessing the hospitality of Pakistani culture, we need to remember that our ancient ancestors seemingly developed a culture that had some clear differences from the culture that developed in the Gangetic plains. Since we have ceeded ancient history to the Hindu nationalsits however, we are not able to make convincing arguments otherwise.

 

[Master Chief]

There are South Indian languages without even a proper script say Kodavas a major martial community in South who disproportionately join military I don't think anyone understands Kodava language not even AI. Nobody uses Sanskrit in military communication it looks like Hindi and a lot of Urdu words are from Sanskrit.

Your post is misleading. Shudh Hindi is derived from Sanskrit, deliberately to extricate modern common utility Hindi from any non-Sanskrit linguistic association.

Pakistanis who used to be perfectly able to understand Hindi now struggle with the sanskritised elements.

It is entirely to our benefit if we can enhance our knowledge of your latest secret aryan code.