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[VCheng]

I agree. It is more stupid to claim that he conspired with IK to topple when he was retired.

Well, the evidence has not been made public, has it?

 

[Forsvaret]

Such a naive general.

Or such a bogus narrative that people of Pakistan simply rejected it in general elections 2024!

 

[PakAl]

Fawad Ch calling for lowering the temperature on both sides, he is also requesting release of Shah Mahmood Qureshi and few other leaders. Kuch ho raha hei, he is hinting towards back channel dialogue.

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[Goenitz]

Or such a bogus narrative that people of Pakistan simply rejected it in general elections 2024!

Yeah, that too. It then really doesn't mean what has happened. If people don't buy it or accept it, it doesn't matter.

 

[VCheng]

Fawad Ch calling for lowering the temperature on both sides, he is also requesting release of Shah Mahmood Qureshi and few other leaders. Kuch ho raha hei, he is hinting towards back channel dialogue.

All such reports may raise hopes, but must be regarded as speculative at this point. We should wait for actual steps taken and results announced, if and when they happen.

 

[Forsvaret]

Well, the evidence has not been made public, has it?

If the evidence hasn’t been made public, then why do you blindly believe in this alleged "mutiny" as if it has actually occurred and IK / Faiz is paying its price now because it "failed"?

 

[VCheng]

Yeah, that too. It then really doesn't mean what has happened. If people don't buy it or accept it, it doesn't matter.

And if the people hear it, and still cannot be motivated to do anything different than what they are already doing, does that mean acceptance?

 

[Forsvaret]

If only it were that easy…

But making random protesters to do a coordinated "attack" against military installations across Pakistan on the very same day military establishment illegally arrested IK was such an easy (inside) job!

 

[Forsvaret]

And if the people hear it, and still cannot be motivated to do anything different than what they are already doing, does that mean acceptance?

Nope. It simply means that people at large do not believe in military establishment’s narrative on 9th May events.

 

[Goenitz]

And if the people hear it, and still cannot be motivated to do anything different than what they are already doing, does that mean acceptance?

My comment was regarding what people accept. Like belief in God etc then it doesn't really matter what science or other say.

In your response, people voted against the system. What more do you want from them? It is clearly an indication of non-acceptance.
Now, they cannot get out of their homes and start fighting. Still, they are protesting and voicing their opinions where possible.

A poor girl just has to say NO so not be part of a relationship. Now, if she cannot fight back, would you consider that acceptance? Don't you think courts, the army and the police should help her? But if all collude in disrobing her, and her hue and cries mean nothing, so let that be. It means a lot to me.

 

[Forsvaret]

A poor girl just has to say NO so not be part of a relationship. Now, if she cannot fight back, would you consider that acceptance?

Yes, of course. Always blaming the victim instead of the perpetrator is @VCheng core "logic" all along :

I got raped but I was "content" with that because I didn’t resist enough — @VCheng

 

[VCheng]

In your response, people voted against the system. What more do you want from them? It is clearly an indication of non-acceptance.

So the people think that voting was all that was needed to make their voices heard? May be that can happen in USA, but Pakistan is not exactly USA, is it?

Acceptance is being content with what they actually have after those elections - as it exists today.

 

[gamaji]

Fawad Ch calling for lowering the temperature on both sides, he is also requesting release of Shah Mahmood Qureshi and few other leaders. Kuch ho raha hei, he is hinting towards back channel dialogue.

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Lowering the temperatures? Releasing Shah Mahmood Qureshi?

You can lower the temperature only if military takes the political orphan and a convicted criminal IK into its lap and then install him again as PM. That will never happen. The convicted criminal will keep facing the justice in other and rather more grave criminal cases.

How another convicted criminal, Shah Mahmood Qureshi, can be released? Is the law just a vax puppet? He will have to follow the legal course. If I remember correctly he has already explored that option.

 

[Forsvaret]

Acceptance is being content with what they actually have after those elections

That’s not "acceptance" but failure of action against those (military establishment) who have made it a habit of stealing public mandate over & over again since the first martial law of 1958!

 

[Forsvaret]

The convicted criminal will keep facing the justice in other and rather more grave criminal cases.

This judicial farce will continue until military establishment runs out of political cases against IK and is thus forced to give him lifetime immunity as well, just like they did for Hazrat Asim Munir in recently passed 27th amendment!