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[FUB]

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[kastor ville]

Good article....seems there is some truth to the HQ-9 rumors, as well as the J10s.

The Ayatollah walks into a bazaar: Iran is shopping around to upgrade its armed forces, and China is the lead supplier

After the Twelve-Day War this past summer — when Israel struck hundreds of targets in Iran linked to military infrastructure and the country’s nuclear and…

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[Piet]

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I was waiting for something like this to happen. Now it has.

Wonder if Iran, in light of the above will propagate similarly armed UAV's, in numbers, along the most probable enemy ingress routes leading to HVT's.

Certainly the most easiest and cheaper option than having to wait for the IRIAF's new combat a/c to reach FOC. And yes, I still favour an air forces firing VLRAAM's, ALBM's etc. While it would not bring about spectacular results at first, this (and the A-A UAV's) would cause incoming to perhaps change their ingress routes (= fuel considerations for instance).

While also building up increasing integration of UAV& fighter along the way.

Piet.

 

[ToddE]

Good article....seems there is some truth to the HQ-9 rumors, as well as the J10s.

The Ayatollah walks into a bazaar: Iran is shopping around to upgrade its armed forces, and China is the lead supplier

After the Twelve-Day War this past summer — when Israel struck hundreds of targets in Iran linked to military infrastructure and the country’s nuclear and…

theins.ru

HQ-9 is a failure system against Quasi BM (similar to MaRVed ALBM) and supersonic cruise missiles.

Also IRIAF fools still seem to have no plan against ALBM/SOWs. They are gonna park these SU-35S, J-10CE in conventionally hardened bunkers and they will be destroyed in first wave of attack. We need more underground bases now !

 

[Comandante]

In the case of HQ-9, the term failure is not necessarily correct. It is necessary to take into account the speed of the targets it is optimized against. A different fuse is needed against supersonic targets. For faster targets, the explosion must be timed earlier, and the situation is already resolved.

 

[muhammed45]

@FUB @Kyussis @Emirzad @kastor ville

@IranianMembers

What keeps my mind busy, is that why B-2s were able to bomb our facilities freely? I know that its an stealth platform and employs tactics to deceive airdefense forces around the world. I read on the web some rumors, some real news and some analysis.

What is obvious, is that Americans are celebrating bombing of Iranian nuclear facilities without giving casualties, Iranians are mad at air defense forces and most of us keep asking ourselves why we couldn't shut them down?!!!

What i see in social media proven o unproven:
Iranian nuclear facilities were bombed, confirmed
Iranian air defense forces failed to shoot at B-2 bombers, confirmed
According to satellite images Iranians evacuated nuclear facilities before getting bombed by B-2 bombers, confirmed
Russian early warning and OTH radars warned Iranians to evacuate nuclear sites, not confirmed
Iranian early warning radars successfully warned local authorities to evacuate nuclear sites because Russian OTH radars had focused on Ballistic attacks hence unable to precisely predict an attack from sealth platforms, not confirmed
Iran avoided downing or shooting American B-2s for political reasons to prevent further escalation, not confirmed
One of B-2s was seriously damaged and disappeared after returning to home, not confirmed


The number of rumors is annoying. Please share your thoughts and tell us which possibility is more realistic.

 

[ToddE]

In the case of HQ-9, the term failure is not necessarily correct. It is necessary to take into account the speed of the targets it is optimized against. A different fuse is needed against supersonic targets. For faster targets, the explosion must be timed earlier, and the situation is already resolved.

The system failed against Fateh-313, Shahed-136, P-800 Oniks multiple times.

If money is to be spent on purchasing weaponry from China then we need to make sure its top the line system.

 

[OldTwilight]

The system failed against Fateh-313, Shahed-136, P-800 Oniks multiple times.

If money is to be spent on purchasing weaponry from China then we need to make sure its top the line system.

does china have any system capable of countering these !?

 

[ToddE]

does china have any system capable of countering these !?

Chinese do have better systems yes. It is very very hard to intercept warhead separating RVs, be it hypersonic ground launched BM or ALBMs. US supported top of the line Israeli layered ABM/AD failed to shoot down single Fattah or KS in entire 12 day war. Iranian HIMADS failed against IAF's ALBM arsenal which is like aerial version of IRGCASF's ground launched systems in terms of characterstic. Similar case is with supersonic Cruise Missiles, ground or air launched as we saw in case of Russian ones (project sold to India).

IADS is more about strategy then equipment. Layers or TELAR of SHORADS and MID/HIMADS can neutralise some, only some of the incoming missiles while real deterence comes from reciprocating strikes on enemy, decoys to make it costly etc.

 

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How many people with cáncer in US will die for protecting a cáncer in the Middle East. Katz is specially nasty. The one that is sistematically supporting the killing inside and outside Palestine.

 

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[Persian Gulf]

@FUB @Kyussis @Emirzad @kastor ville

@IranianMembers

What keeps my mind busy, is that why B-2s were able to bomb our facilities freely? I know that its an stealth platform and employs tactics to deceive airdefense forces around the world. I read on the web some rumors, some real news and some analysis.

What is obvious, is that Americans are celebrating bombing of Iranian nuclear facilities without giving casualties, Iranians are mad at air defense forces and most of us keep asking ourselves why we couldn't shut them down?!!!

What i see in social media proven o unproven:
Iranian nuclear facilities were bombed, confirmed
Iranian air defense forces failed to shoot at B-2 bombers, confirmed
According to satellite images Iranians evacuated nuclear facilities before getting bombed by B-2 bombers, confirmed
Russian early warning and OTH radars warned Iranians to evacuate nuclear sites, not confirmed
Iranian early warning radars successfully warned local authorities to evacuate nuclear sites because Russian OTH radars had focused on Ballistic attacks hence unable to precisely predict an attack from sealth platforms, not confirmed
Iran avoided downing or shooting American B-2s for political reasons to prevent further escalation, not confirmed
One of B-2s was seriously damaged and disappeared after returning to home, not confirmed


The number of rumors is annoying. Please share your thoughts and tell us which possibility is more realistic.

when MALE drones can freely fly in Esfahan for several days can you be surprised that B-2 bombers were not shot down?

 

[Eşbah]

@FUB @Kyussis @Emirzad @kastor ville

@IranianMembers

What keeps my mind busy, is that why B-2s were able to bomb our facilities freely? I know that its an stealth platform and employs tactics to deceive airdefense forces around the world. I read on the web some rumors, some real news and some analysis.

What is obvious, is that Americans are celebrating bombing of Iranian nuclear facilities without giving casualties, Iranians are mad at air defense forces and most of us keep asking ourselves why we couldn't shut them down?!!!

What i see in social media proven o unproven:
Iranian nuclear facilities were bombed, confirmed
Iranian air defense forces failed to shoot at B-2 bombers, confirmed
According to satellite images Iranians evacuated nuclear facilities before getting bombed by B-2 bombers, confirmed
Russian early warning and OTH radars warned Iranians to evacuate nuclear sites, not confirmed
Iranian early warning radars successfully warned local authorities to evacuate nuclear sites because Russian OTH radars had focused on Ballistic attacks hence unable to precisely predict an attack from sealth platforms, not confirmed
Iran avoided downing or shooting American B-2s for political reasons to prevent further escalation, not confirmed
One of B-2s was seriously damaged and disappeared after returning to home, not confirmed


The number of rumors is annoying. Please share your thoughts and tell us which possibility is more realistic.

What the B-2 is very good at avoiding

Conventional radar (especially high-frequency fire-control radar):
Its shape and radar-absorbing materials greatly reduce radar reflections, making it hard to track or target.

Early detection and targeting:
Even if detected, getting a precise, continuous track for weapons guidance is difficult.

How it can still be detected

Low-frequency radar (VHF/UHF):
These radars can sometimes notice that something is there, though usually without precise location or targeting accuracy.

Infrared (heat) sensors:
Engines still produce heat. The B-2 reduces this, but can’t eliminate it entirely.

Visual detection:
At close range or in daylight, it can be seen like any aircraft.

Acoustic detection:
At very close distances, sound can give it away.

Electronic emissions:
Any active communication or radar use risks detection, which is why the B-2 relies heavily on passive sensors and planning.

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In short, it's practically undetectable.

 

[Sarhang]

when MALE drones can freely fly in Esfahan for several days can you be surprised that B-2 bombers were not shot down?

They had such overwhelming air superiority that their drones werent just doing 24/7 surveillance and target identification but also continuous post strike battle damage assessment. That alone shows near total air dominance.

Honestly it makes you wonder if chasing more advanced air defence systems from China or Russia is even worth it anymore. they will just get detected and destroyed anyway.