Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

I would say that India hit her targets, but that is not the same as achieving her objectives. If you consider the level of blackout training, civic medical training, movement of troops, navy that was happening before the strikes, it is obvious that India was planning a much larger and longer war and the response from the PAF killed those plans stone cold dead.

The Indians stopped the progression towards their real objectives because they did not think their air force would have been that ineffective in a fight with the PAF as it was. So, yes, India hit their targets for day #1 of their plans, but their actual strategic objectives they actually failed in. I say that, because you look at the level of engagement that the middle east has with Pakistan right now, it was precisely this that the Indians and the Israeli's wanted to stop.

The fact that the Israeli attack on Iran, and the Indian attack on Pakistan being so closely timed together is not a coincidence, but a strategic plan that both India and Israel had concocted together, that did not go to their plans. The goal was to take away both Iran and Pakistan as strategic heavy weights in the middle east/Muslim world so that Israel and India could then dominate the middle east from either ends of the middle east when the USA starts to wind down its military presence.

Why do you think Pakistan reacted the way it did to the attack on Iran? Why did the Defence Minister have those choice words for Reza Pahlavi ??? Because, it was all related, and they were aware of the strategic plans of Israel and India, it was obvious at that point that they were working together on a joint plan.

I don't have evidence for my view point, but it is my reading of the situation based on the events to date and what is "now" happening in the middle east, and the attack was part of something far bigger and more strategic than some random buildings in Pakistan being "successfully hit".

So, is the change in the middle east right now what was planned and people tried to stop it, or a consequence of the failure of the plans of India/Israel ?

So, imho the Indians failed in their actual objectives.
Iran angle is actually very interesting, that same time Iran was very effusive of Pakistan and India went particularly vicious towards Iran.

We can have a counter narrative, as a thought experiment, what if India on day one only incurred one loss but mostly hit their targets? Would they have continued perceiving weakness? Would they have launched the brahmos

One working theory is that India had to escalate to over compensate for its ineffective aerial abilities

This actually creates a disequilibrium, because if Pakistan is dominant in the Air, India either has to use the other forces or it has to escalate which is actually quite dangerous,

The brahmos attacks will simply serve as an early warning to prepare Pakistan with China support, infrastructure and runways can be replaced quite easily, lack of confidence in your Air force and strategic uncertainty cannot

You see the Indians are actually medium term very worried because China has zoomed ahead technologically, and nothing will happen before the trade agreement, and if India open a serious confrontation then trump will probably see this as defiance,

As well as this, the Bangladesh front

I'm not sure that we will ever know if India planned a longer attack, my first feeling is that they wanted to create a noise, keep Pakistan waiting and then if the air attacks could be portrayed as successful they would have the win, they chose their time and place and effectively were successful and that would be the narrative.

I'm not sure that another operation will happen very soon, but Pakistan being on the defensive on the last one was somewhat easier, in the next confrontation will Pakistan try to take control of the escalation ladder or will it try to manage it. Turkey and china are there to support, Iran and Saudi can probably help non-militarily.

Really India should be trying to appease the region somewhat for at least a short-term gain, they are simply continuing obsession with Pakistan.
 
They actually showed their Aces when simple Kings/Queens could have sufficed to win the round

Exactly this, brahmos is meant to be their strategic weapon of choice.

Another deterrence was and proven that still is valid today is that of diplomacy. India was pressured by the world to stop. As much as they claim themselves to not be dictated by anyone, no, they are no where near that independent adventurism yet.
If the escalation continued, Pakistan would have had to counter with its own missiles, remember at the time on this forum I remember the discussion was even by generally hawkish people, enough is enough paf have shown more than a robust defence.

If it got down to missiles, more plane deliveries from China would come
Imagine China went to 4 day war with India........you suppose they will listen to anyone to stop? Nope. But India ain't even a tenth of the super power they claim and make it ought to be.
This is a hard thing to communicate to Indians, it's like they need coaching on how to think like the big nation they are. ultimately this will drip feed into their discourse after enough time has passed.
 
How come Pakistan didn’t provide such evidence for the supposed s-400 kills? 🤔 💭
You can make a logical conclusion from modis visit and that statement of the indian Air chief, that the S400 radar at Adampur ate a CM400. Bhuj and Barnala are debateable.
 
If it's not classified info, how many targets were hit by PAF and where to actually look, I've went over sat images of pathankot, Bathinda, awantipora, Sirinagar and barnala IACCS, even looked up the supply depot of Chandigarh that was claimed to be hit.
Tbh I've given up, all my hopes are on @Panzerkiel thread that's he gonna post on 7 may 2026 as promised by him.
Satellite images is not my expertise and have no idea about that. Total of 34 targets were hit.
 
Bro, how do you consider width of 65-70 Feet insufficient for landings / take offs?

I have seen landings on parallel strips. The ILS system supports landings on both strips. @HemlockKhalid/AeronautIR has actually landed his plane on parallel.
choro na yaar, here fan boys will not rest unless you show them smoking S-400 or ground damage from India.....despite the fact months after, India is burying its dead and giving S-400 repairmen artificial limbs.........

So the smart it is enough to connect dots to reach a conclusion indirectly.

I mean, if my overhyped Rafale or J-35 was shot within one hour of opening air combat, i'd be pretty mad and comatose as well.

So i respect your and others actual experience and facts 100%, but lets not waste time on these own Pakistani fanboys who think that somehow India had the upper hand.


Further,
Those with actual knowledge......please mention the number of total Indian SOWs of all types that PAF tracked?

Out of those how many hit something on ground?

and out of those how many actually hit any thing valuable to cause long term financial and operation damage?

We took out at least 11% of their strike package within an hour........and if we count the much rumored further damaged Rafales/MKIs then the percentage is a nice double digit.
 
Those with actual knowledge......please mention the number of total Indian SOWs of all types that PAF tracked?

Can't mention the exact numbers here however, i have already mentioned it. 3-5 for each base. Total number was around 35-40 on 10th may. Now you can count the hits from sat imagery - make up around 13-14 i guess.

And we all know the only hit with heavy damage was Bholari.
 
Now, I am seriously confused mate. This question is far more serious than my above reply about parallel runway operations.
So, should I reply to you or not on this forum? 😅
Hey.

With all due respect and classified information, will you be able to at least tell us that the S-400 strike was successful even without any satellite imaging?
 
Now we are going to if and hypothetical, so let's assume all 3 surfaces of Sargodha were damaged. It can only be achieved by ALCMs because accuracy of Surface launched Brahmos was not same. For 8-10 craters, with 80% interception rate, you need both Su-30 squadrons that are Brahmos capable.

You are right about hypothetical aspects in this discussion. That is bound to happen since there are lots of what ifs, that are likely to be discussed.

As far as use of ALCMs is considered, there was overwhelming opinion on the thread that IAF was grounded mostly and most of them (Brahmos specifically) were launched from ground. Scalp and Hammer were obviously Air launched. But Sargodha was struck by Brahmos.

Dont know what is the truth here.

80% interception rate also looks exaggerated. India launched a total of less than 50 ALCMs. The number of targets hit, doesn’t indicate that kind of interception rate to me. Few were spoofed and jammed but atleast 35-40 of them hit something significant. The extent of damage isn’t known outside and only PAF would know for some of them where the missiles have struck buildings. Entry marks are seen but the blast damage would be known to only the concerned.
 
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With all due respect I don't think you should have talked about this on the forum let them think otherwise why answer this.
No secrets here. PAF regularly operates from motorways. Carrying out takeoff and landings from narrow taxiways shouldn’t be a big ask for these people.
 
Hey.

With all due respect and classified information, will you be able to at least tell us that the S-400 strike was successful even without any satellite imaging?

Whether it actually hit the cheeseboard or not - doesn't matter - even though IAF Chief acknowledged that 2-4 weapons fell on same location where it was deployed but had relocated just in time.

What is a FACT is that S400 went offline after PAF strikes - either due to hit or they started playing hide and seek as IAF got concerned after receiving accurate hits on earlier deployed location as per their Chief).

So the objective of SEAD was achieved nevertheless. Which allowed PAF jets to move close to LoC with much more freedom while IAF didn't even bother scrambling to intercept our strike formations.

Now i know this story may sound a bit exaggerated to most of "realists" here however, that's not a fantasy story at all. Even @Oscar got same info from his sources - Wish i could show stuff that i have seen.
 
You are right about hypothetical aspects in this discussion. That is bound to happen since there are lots of what ifs, that are likely to be discussed.

As far as use of ALCMs is considered, there was overwhelming opinion on the thread that IAF was grounded mostly and most of them (Brahmos specifically) were launched from ground. Scalp and Hammer were obviously Air launched. But Sargodha was struck by Brahmos.

Dont know what is the truth here.

80% interception rate also looks exaggerated. India launched a total of less than 50 ALCMs. The number of targets hit, doesn’t indicate that kind of interception rate to me. Few were spoofed and jammed but atleast 35-40 of them hit something significant. The extent of damage isn’t known outside and only PAF would know for some of them where the missiles have struck buildings. Entry marks are seen but the blast damage would be known to only the concerned.
Actually it will be more than 80% next time with ongoing preparation, but I made a cautious guess towards the lower side.
It was 76% this time. Now, IAF was grounded on 8th and 9th. The bases were hit on 10th and the precision strikes were the ALCMs.

And no, 35-40 cruise missiles didn't hit. If we don't count Harops, the missile strikes rate is not at all alarming.
 

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