CCS clears AMCA for IAF

[indushek]

On topic we can't be sure, till the funds are transferred. So I will urge my fellow countrymen, to wait till things are cleared.

We are so close to elections, and nothing will happen till its July at least.

 

[hodor]

India alone cannot build a fifth generation fighter jet. can only do it if it gets support from the USA or Russia.

 

[DDG-80]

Good news.... but still can't see this program taking any speed.... this is just approval given..... knowing our speed funds allocation may take another 1 or 2 or even 3 years easily..... then the prototype construction will start..... meanwhile knowing retarded IAF they may come again with some "CHANGES" and delay it further....

Many high profile deals have been cleared for IAF:
●HPR and MPR
●Sudarshan CIWS
●CCS clearance for AMCA
●80 upgraded RD33 MK engines for MiG-29 UPG(Locally produced by HAL Koraput with a higher degree of localisation)

 

[Oscar]

On topic we can't be sure, till the funds are transferred. So I will urge my fellow countrymen, to wait till things are cleared.

We are so close to elections, and nothing will happen till its July at least.

Those elections are all but a formality based upon true progress but boosted with communal tactics and some accusations of opposition suppression.

 

[DDG-80]

Some of the feature's of the AMCA which were being worked for almost a decade.

1 . Radar Absorbent Materials.

2 . LRDE GAN based AESA Radar

3 . Fly by optics/Light.

4 . Distributed Computing Systems.

5 . Internal Weapons Bay mechanism.

6 . Sensors Infusions.

7 . Self healing Capability I.e detection and Bypass.

8 . Voice Command.

Time and capital was invested in related technologies. Now it's system integration. Faster localisation and maturity.

 

[DarkMatter]

Ah, so all official announcements so far were only made by fan-boys?

In fact it is exactly what I say since years and why India is not really taken seriously by international observers: If you're not sure whether you can do it or simply not sure about certain things like configuration, avionics, propulsion, financing or simply the needs of the air force, then it always makes sense to just keep calm and not go around blabbing about when what might happen and how.
First do it, then announce it. No wonder the whole of India is celebrating the Tejas programme as an outstanding success ... Only yesterday I had to deal with such a child who wanted to explain to me that "his Tejas" is superior to any J-20 in everything.

Interesting. India is an SSBN power and a country with a $30-40 billion defense capital expenditure budget. You say India is not being taken seriously? Who are these international observers, by the way?

 

[AsaRad1]

I can’t resist to answer this but, India is a free country. Might be you are so much involved with Chinese, then you forgotten German values.

India is not like where you criticise AMCA, then you get censored, or if someone try to prove Maruti 800 able to fight Battlestar gallactica, you get promoted.

We ask questions, we criticise it , we promote it . We do whatever we want.

India is not like where you ask intrinsic details and criticise it, you get censored.

So ,no thank you, we are happy like we are.

Okay, so India is a country that yaps a lot to maintain a false image in front of others while Chinese yap less not caring what others think.

Got it. I think second formula works better considering how many 5th gen fighters are in service in both countries.

 

[MirageBlue]

Cannot wait to see it, but again - I know I'm the one who constantly ruins the parties - seeing is believing.

So let's wait if not again as in the Tejas mk.2 program it will be delayed.

CCS clearance is big because it now allows for funds to be released to HAL and ADA to start the process of setting up the assembly line to build the prototypes.

Former IAF Air Chief Marshal RKS Bhadauria had mentioned in an interview a month ago, the design of AMCA was completed. But where things had not gone as per plan was regarding the Special Purpose Vehicle (SPV), a Joint Venture between Public and Private sector companies to build the AMCA. There have been preliminary discussions but it hasn't gone to the stage where the private sector has tied up with HAL/ADA/DRDO for the AMCA development and assembly.

Now that CCS clearance is done, 3 years (36 months) can be taken as the approximate timeline for the roll-out of the first prototype.

 

[MirageBlue]

So in two years time (2026) a protype will fly with US engines? That is an ambitious timeline indeed.

No, it will take at least till end 2026 to roll out the first AMCA prototype with 2 X GE F-414-INS6 engines. Expect at least 6-8 months after that for the first taxi trials and then first flight.

As per former IAF ACM RKS Bhadauria, a timeline of 4.5 years from CCS sanction to first flight is doable. So sometime in second half of 2027 or even early 2028 if any delays are encountered.

 

[DarkMatter]

Okay, so India is a country that yaps a lot to maintain a false image in front of others while Chinese yap less not caring what others think.

Got it. I think second formula works better considering how many 5th gen fighters are in service in both countries.

One more naive person taken in by the Chinese propaganda machine. lol.

 

[DarkMatter]

Interesting. India is an SSBN power and a country with a $30-40 billion defense capital expenditure budget. You say India is not being taken seriously? Who are these international observers, by the way?

@Deino - you don’t agree that India is the only SSBN power outside the P5 and has got the 3rd largest defense capital expenditure in the whole planet?
By the way, you have not clarified who these international observers are? Hopefully they are not overgrown adults living in their parent’s basements typing out troll posts on online forums like this one.

 

[Archie]

So in two years time (2026) a protype will fly with US engines? That is an ambitious timeline indeed.

NO,

But we could see the first full scale prototype airframe of AMCA by 2026, with the first flight likely to take another 2-3 years

In my opinion, If we can get the first IOC squadron of AMCA operational by 2035, it would be a major achievement

 

[MirageBlue]

Can you show which official announcements? Official announcements are only made through PIB channels, the last update about AMCA through official channel was in 2022 I think, when DRDO approached CCS. And btw, no official announcement even for this news exist right now, might be we get it in morning, but right now it’s not an official announcement.

And those who follow Indian defence knows, HAL have their own agenda and ADA have their own.

Further, why anyone care about international observers. International observers are not taxpayers.

If an indian taxpayer asked this, then HAL have the duty to explain why HAL chairman was giving such timelines, when the product development was not even under them.

Let me be honest here. There were interviews with officials including former ADA Chief Girish Deodhare that gave timelines like metal cutting to start in Feb 2022 and prototype roll-out in 2023. Fan boys didn't come up with these dates out of thin air. Knowing Dr Deodhare, I'm pretty certain that they felt that the first prototype could be built with existing funds, without having to wait for CCS sanction for the Tejas Mk2 program. But that didn't happen and as it ended up, it made them look bad.

Fact is that Program Management is a very important aspect of such complex programs. If there are many factors that define when a program will see a roll-out or first flight then it is best to mention those when giving dates.

Anyway, now that CCS sanction has come, funds will begin to flow. Now, a 36 month timeline will be a reality, and a proper schedule for building the first prototype, first taxi trials, first flight, etc. will be created.

 

[MirageBlue]

Arey Raja flags toh dekh le, AMCA could have got the CCS approval way back in 2015-16 if IAF was one bit serious, i am happy for IAF.

No Jatt bhai. It wasn't possible. the stages that needed to be cleared for CCS approval were related to the design maturity.

The AMCA design has been frozen now, with Critical Design Reviews completed for all systems in 2023. CCS sanction is not given before the design clears CDR, so it couldn't have been given before late 2023..

That is how they waited for the Tejas Mk2 to complete CDR and then it got CCS sanction. As part of CCS sanction, ADA/HAL/DRDO provide the details of how they cleared all the required design reviews and now their design is ready for prototyping phase.

TEDBF is also nearing CDR, so it will be the next to get CCS sanction which will pave the way for funds for prototype construction.

 

[kaku]

Okay, so India is a country that yaps a lot to maintain a false image in front of others while Chinese yap less not caring what others think.

Got it. I think second formula works better considering how many 5th gen fighters are in service in both countries.

It’s actually the other way around, Chinese are the one who try to maintain false image.

There is no program by Govt of India to maintain an image as such.