CCS clears AMCA for IAF

[MirageBlue]

You have the plane wind tunnel model photo right ? I saw you posted it in old PDF

Yes here it is

 

[Deino]

Yes here it is

But this model was posted first in August 2022! So is there a new one available or are there no changes since almost 1 1/2 years?

 

[kaku]

But this model was posted first in August 2022! So is there a new one available or are there no changes since almost 1 1/2 years?

PDR was completed in 2020, and system-level CDR got completed in 2023, platform-level CDR most likely got competed before recieving CCS sanctions.

Aero India 2023: AMCA finishes systems-level critical design review

The critical design review (CDR) of all systems for India's Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA) has been completed, a senior project official said.

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So, this is the final version.

 

[Significantlysmarter]

So in two years time (2026) a protype will fly with US engines? That is an ambitious timeline indeed.

Not as ambitious are putting a craft on the dark side of the moon, but it's done.

 

[kmc_chacko]

Tejas Mk2 going to be inducted at large number, atleast 400-500. It is important for airforce.

Even in 2050, we would be procuring new airframes of Tejas Mk2,,, be it form of Mk2 A/B/C,

I don't think there will be 400-500 Mk2, maximum number will be 120-140 which able to replace MIg-29s & Mirage by 2030.

 

[kmc_chacko]

Tejas Mk2 is one of the most important 4.5 gen fighters in the IAF's plans. Will provide an affordable replacement for Mirage-2000s, MiG-29s and Jaguars while keeping operating costs MUCH lower than twin engine 5th gen AMCA.

Wrong

as R&D in the areas of development of aero engines & Radar technology evolves it will make IAF to take look at bigger Mk3 rather than Mk2s, because eventually development phase of AMCA will develop lot of new technology making Mk3 practical option.

 

[kaku]

I don't think there will be 400-500 Mk2, maximum number will be 120-140 which able to replace MIg-29s & Mirage by 2030.

By 2050 IAF at least aspire to become 1000 fighter force.

So how you planning to fill the numbers?

 

[kmc_chacko]

You guys are forgetting Mk2s will have GE engine and with new collaboration Kaveri or New indigenous engine option will make Mk3s more practical, to buy in large quantity.

Mk2 will be more or like Gripen so, importance will be given for indigenization rather than importing.

 

[kmc_chacko]

By 2050 IAF at least aspire to become 1000 fighter force.

So how you planning to fill the numbers?

2035 onwards IAF procurement will revolve around inducting

400+ MCA/Mk3s which eventually take up the multirole and air deference it will replace all Migs, Mirages, Jaguar & Tejas

300+ ORCA/TEDBF eventually replacing all Su-30s & Rafaels both on Land & deck.

AMCA will be our prime fighter maximum 100+

Making 800+ fighters or 45 squadrons

 

[kaku]

2035 onwards IAF procurement will revolve around inducting

400+ MCA/Mk3s which eventually take up the multirole and air deference it will replace all Migs, Mirages, Jaguar & Tejas

300+ ORCA/TEDBF eventually replacing all Su-30s & Rafaels both on Land & deck.

AMCA will be our prime fighter maximum 100+

Making 800+ fighters or 45 squadrons

Firstly, what is MCA and Mk3?

Secondly, MKIs going to operate at least till 2060 and replacing Rafale?

It have a service life of 8000 hours, and most likely you able to extend above 12000 hours. You want to retire Rafale before 2050?

Thirdly, no program exist with the name of ORCA, only TEDBF exist.

 

[Waz]

Not as ambitious are putting a craft on the dark side of the moon, but it's done.

You've got years and years of experience in one of those field, whereas learning in the other.

 

[Ali_Baba]

AMCA model at ADA..gives a clear idea of the final configuration
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It does look like a copy of the J-31.

At this point - India has all the basic variables that were developed as part of Tejas to be able to build a new fighter jet - they have paid the initial investment cost in developing core technologies for themselves and they own the IP on those items. Along the way, they have built long lived institutions with now trained/educated resources that they can now releverage for new projects. Therefore, I do think the engineering / product development of this should be fairly easy for them. They have the engine problem already solved(GE414), which is always an issue with these types of projects.

Their achilles heal is of course, their bureacracy itself and in some ways the IAF itself with its ever changing requirements.

The only variable here is of course stealth shaping and the math required behind it - which I think is within India's capabilities at this stage.

I know we all laugh about India's capabilities, but i expect this project to go alot quicker and smoother than the Tejas programme has to date. They have done their learning, and learnt their lessons on this front.

India is much better placed to be able to pull off this project than Pakistan is for sure.

 

[kmc_chacko]

Firstly, what is MCA and Mk3?

Secondly, MKIs going to operate at least till 2060 and replacing Rafale?

It have a service life of 8000 hours, and most likely you able to extend above 12000 hours. You want to retire Rafale before 2050?

Thirdly, no program exist with the name of ORCA, only TEDBF exist.

MCA is IAF concept for single engine fighters - Mk3 is Tejas III with indigenous engine & AMCA technology

Its almost 20+ years since Su-30 flown in IAF colours and you are hoping till 2060 i.e, another 36 years, wow. are you expecting Su-30 will be replaced by AMCA ?

Do you think IN’s active involvement in testing N-LCA is short sighted and can’t you see IN’s keen on having indigenous fighter on deck is not long term vision driven ?

Its well known around AF circle that IN’s keenness on having TEDBF on deck has risen many eyebrows in IAF hierarchy. As IAF which already given up space for IA in purchase of helicopter doesn’t want that to happen in frontline jets.

 

[kaku]

It does look like a copy of the J-31.

At this point - India has all the basic variables developed as part of Tejas, to be able to build a new fighter jet - they have paid the initial investment cost in developing core technologies for themselves and they own the IP on that. Along the way, they have built long lived institutions with now trained/educated resources. Therefore, I do think the engineering / product development of this should be fairly easy for them. Their achilles heal is their bureacracy itself and in some ways the IAF itself with its ever changing requirements.

The only variable here is of course stealth shaping and the math required behind it - which I think is within India's capabilities at this stage.

I know we all laugh about India's capabilities, but i expect this p

MCA is IAF concept for single engine fighters - Mk3 is Tejas III with indigenous engine & AMCA technology

Its almost 20+ years since Su-30 flown in IAF colours and you are hoping till 2060 i.e, another 36 years, wow. are you expecting Su-30 will be replaced by AMCA ?

Do you think IN’s active involvement in testing N-LCA is short sighted and can’t you see IN’s keen on having indigenous fighter on deck is not long term vision driven ?

Its well known around AF circle that IN’s keenness on having TEDBF on deck has risen many eyebrows in IAF hierarchy. As IAF which already given up space for IA in purchase of helicopter doesn’t want that to happen in frontline jets.

Su-30MKI: IAF to extend life of Russian Su-30MKI fighter jet fleet by more than 20 years - The Economic Times

The Indian Air Force plans to extend the service life of its Russian-origin combat aircraft, the Su-30 MKI, by over 20 years. The fleet has inducted 272 of these twin-engine planes, which will be the mainstay of the force for at least 15-20 years. The Indian Air Force is also working on...

m.economictimes.com

 

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