Pakistan shifts from stabilisation to export-led growth, says finance minister

[VCheng]

The day and age we are living, religion is more relevant now. Forces opposed to us are fully invested in their beliefs and dogmas, and if we abandoned ours, what is there to fight for? Statecraft is not just internal governance but external order around you as well, at bear minimum, in your proximity

And how does any of that rambling help Pakistan's economic stabilization?

 

[Taimoor]

And how does any of that rambling help Pakistan's economic stabilization?

Since when religion has played any role in Pakistan's monetary policy? Why do you jump to some really silly arguments?

 

[VCheng]

Since when religion has played any role in Pakistan's monetary policy?

LOL. Do you know of something called "interest rates" or even "banking"?

 

[Taimoor]

LOL. Do you know of something called "interest rates" or even "banking"?

So "interest" rates are deduced via some Islamic calculations like zakat in "Islamic" republic of Pakistan?

 

[VCheng]

So "interest" rates are deduced via some Islamic calculations like zakat in "Islamic" republic of Pakistan?

Actually, the whole banking system is messed up, including the mandatory Islamic fig leaf, because of religious concepts and even frank inputs.

 

[Taimoor]

Actually, the whole banking system is messed up, including the mandatory Islamic fig leaf, because of religious concepts and even frank inputs.

Dude, Islam would be the last thing you can point finger on on how Pakistan's economy has been screwed over.

 

[Blain2]

Every country has made itself into what it actually wants to be, including Pakistan. What seems to be the issue here?

Clearly many here are unhappy with what we have made of ourselves.

 

[Blain2]

Having the capacity to subject country's population to violence is one thing, consequences on the other hand however, can be quite drastic. Those abusing this capacity, are mostly individuals who are driven by self interests, hence self preservation is the ultimate goal. Would it worth all the efforts and evil schemes to get to where one at this point in time, to find at the receiving end of a stray lead aimed at the temple? Afterall, not all are as lucky as Trump. Hence why, Asim Muneer is now wearing bullet proof and carrying loaded gun. Actions will always find consequences waiting round the corner, its the law of the nature, no matter how powerful and resourceful one might be.

I don't think this is about "self-preservation". It is showing a mirror to Imran Khan's "only I have the answers" attitude. Asim Munir clearly believes in what he is doing and he believes he is doing this in the best interests of Pakistan and he feels he has not done anything illegal or counter to the interests of Pakistan regardless of what the PTI base may say or think.

Second, my point is not that those in power should mete out violence to the country's population. I am absolutely against it. What I said is that in Pakistan, all so-called dictatorial powers have kept their gloves on (you may disagree but you would be myopic in doing so). It could get a lot worse if we go by how other dictatorships have worked in various parts of the world. I am not wishing for this by any means and actually hope and pray for political reconciliation in the country.

As far as this claim of "Asim Muneer is now wearing bullet proof and carrying loaded gun", this is a figment of your imagination. If people were this insecure and afraid, they would have left the country for greener pastures long ago.

My reading of this is that most PTI walay are absolutely clueless about Asim Munir's convictions. This chap believes in what he is doing with absolute certainly and his conviction comes from his understanding of Pakistan's dynamics and of the religion (being a hafiz of Quran) he practices. His understanding, in all likelihood is far deeper than Imran Khan's. So the silly vilification campaign by the PTI targeting his person actually reinforces his conviction in what he is doing.

Bajwa was a certain type of a man, however, Asim Munir is cut from an entirely different cloth. I don't say this to praise him but just to point out that Kaptaan isn't the only one with conviction. Coming from a very humble background, Asim Munir is his own man, he is driven and he is here to make his mark. His ascendancy will also come to an end as all things do in due time, and he'd do well to not fall for hubris, as many have, however, his ascendency is not about self-preservation as you think of it.

 

[Meengla]

My reading of this is that most PTI walay are absolutely clueless about Asim Munir's convictions. This chap believes in what he is doing with absolute certainly and his conviction comes from his understanding of Pakistan's dynamics and of the religion (being a hafiz of Quran) he practices. His understanding, in all likelihood is far deeper than Imran Khan's. So the silly vilification campaign by the PTI targeting his person actually reinforces his conviction in what he is doing.

It is a classic tactic used by scoundrels to try to get what they want: When foreign powers launch a war against a country they never say they are targeting the 'people' of that country but only 'the government' or 'the regime'. Happens all the time if you just study from the invasion of Iraq in 2003 and onwards. Similarly, PTI/Imran Khan has zeroed in on General Asim Munir but they really are targeting the Pakistani military as an institution because even if Asim Munir is removed, the military, as an institution will not change its policy about Imran in significant ways.
The 'clueless' mention refers to, what I absolutely believe, is the 'DeRh Hushyar' [Too Clever by Half] mind of Imran Khan since early 2022.

 

[Distant_Observer]

I don't think this is about "self-preservation". It is showing a mirror to Imran Khan's "only I have the answers" attitude. Asim Munir clearly believes in what he is doing and he believes he is doing this in the best interests of Pakistan and he feels he has not done anything illegal or counter to the interests of Pakistan regardless of what the PTI base may say or think.

Second, my point is not that those in power should mete out violence to the country's population. I am absolutely against it. What I said is that in Pakistan, all so-called dictatorial powers have kept their gloves on (you may disagree but you would be myopic in doing so). It could get a lot worse if we go by how other dictatorships have worked in various parts of the world. I am not wishing for this by any means and actually hope and pray for political reconciliation in the country.

As far as this claim of "Asim Muneer is now wearing bullet proof and carrying loaded gun", this is a figment of your imagination. If people were this insecure and afraid, they would have left the country for greener pastures long ago.

My reading of this is that most PTI walay are absolutely clueless about Asim Munir's convictions. This chap believes in what he is doing with absolute certainly and his conviction comes from his understanding of Pakistan's dynamics and of the religion (being a hafiz of Quran) he practices. His understanding, in all likelihood is far deeper than Imran Khan's. So the silly vilification campaign by the PTI targeting his person actually reinforces his conviction in what he is doing.

Bajwa was a certain type of a man, however, Asim Munir is cut from an entirely different cloth. I don't say this to praise him but just to point out that Kaptaan isn't the only one with conviction. Coming from a very humble background, Asim Munir is his own man, he is driven and he is here to make his mark. His ascendancy will also come to an end as all things do in due time, and he'd do well to not fall for hubris, as many have, however, his ascendency is not about self-preservation as you think of it.

The foreign policy and diplomacy in the last few years has been fauji led and well executed by SS.

A civilian PM must remain humble and listen to the fauj and do as they say. They know better.

Parties like PTI want to go back to the 90s and squabble over short term gains again. If you want to know what Pakistan was saved from, just look at the rampant corruption in KP. A default would have become a real possibility.

PMLN looks to have have had enough of humiliation in exchange for corruption and are doing the work. PPP and PTI are still lagging.

Pakistan needs long term policy, do the work and follow through. We need to keep everything as it is for another 10 years atleast.

 

[Blain2]

It is a classic tactic used by scoundrels to try to get what they want: When foreign powers launch a war against a country they never say they are targeting the 'people' of that country but only 'the government' or 'the regime'. Happens all the time if you just study from the invasion of Iraq in 2003 and onwards. Similarly, PTI/Imran Khan has zeroed in on General Asim Munir but they really are targeting the Pakistani military as an institution because even if Asim Munir is removed, the military, as an institution will not change its policy about Imran in significant ways.
The 'clueless' mention refers to, what I absolutely believe, is the 'DeRh Hushyar' [Too Clever by Half] mind of Imran Khan since early 2022.

I completely agree that the establishment has figured out what they need to do and they will go for it regardless of who is at the helm. It is AM today, it could be someone else tomorrow. What is clear is that they don't want to go back to the populist, but undermining politics of the recent past.

Now some can say it's not the establishment's place and they would be right, but the ground reality in Pakistan is different. This is also the reason I have highlighted the examples of countless ME countries where a very controlled setup is driving development and progress and Pakistan needs this more than ever now.

PTI would have room in this set up but only if it gets off its high-horse and pragmatically deals with the situation. IK isn't Pakistan and Pakistan isn't IK. Pakistan will run with, and just as well or better, without IK, but IK himself needs to understand this. Not sure if his party is capable of conveying this to him.

 

[Meengla]

A civilian PM must remain humble and listen to the fauj and do as they say. They know better.

There are specific domains assigned to the civilians and the military in Pakistan, which is a Security State. But contrary to what many here believe, I believe the military would be more than content to just let the civilians run the economy and even foreign policy but only as long as neither of them lead to really bad situations for Pakistan. In the 'Lost Decade of the 90s', Nawaz and Benazir were constantly marching against each other and due to their rules, Pakistan started to be left behind. Then came Musharraf in 1999 and things started to stabilize. And by mid 2021, the military realized that their bet on Imran was wrong and they had to distance from him and so came the 2022 NCM vote.

So it is an absolute misunderstanding that the military WANTS to intervene: They would be happy as long as their expenses are met, their various business interests are not disturbed--which even Imran didn't do and neither did anyone before or after Imran. But the military draws a line when the economy is put on the brink and/or vital foreign relations are threatened. Imran certainly alienated the most important Pakistani foreign alliances.

Pakistan needs long term policy, do the work and follow through. We need to keep everything as it is for another 10 years atleast.

Yes, at least 10 years!

 

[Meengla]

Now some can say it's not the establishment's place and they would be right, but the ground reality in Pakistan is different. This is also the reason I have highlighted the examples of countless ME countries where a very controlled setup is driving development and progress and Pakistan needs this more than ever now.

Again, a Gem of a post!
Pakistanis become some Jeffersonian Democrats only when their favorite guy is not in power! They are ALL hypocrites but at least some have learned their lessons and adapted while some live in the La La Land of 90% popularity even when polled only 30%.

 

[Goenitz]

Oh wow. How many are there in Pakistan?

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Now how many new units are opening? How many are merging? How many are expanding to foreign countries? How many are coming here from abroad?

Let's look at both sides of the argument:

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PTC calls for ‘Export Emergency’ to arrest textile export decline

The Pakistan Textile Council (PTC) has urged Shehbaz Sharif to declare an “Export Emergency,” warning that Pakistan’s textile exporters are nearing collapse due to falling competitiveness, high costs, tax distortions, and uncompetitive energy pricing.

textalks.com

The Pakistan Textile Council (PTC) has urged Shehbaz Sharif to declare an “Export Emergency,” warning that Pakistan’s textile exporters are nearing collapse due to falling competitiveness, high costs, tax distortions, and uncompetitive energy pricing.

 

[Taimoor]

I don't think this is about "self-preservation". It is showing a mirror to Imran Khan's "only I have the answers" attitude. Asim Munir clearly believes in what he is doing and he believes he is doing this in the best interests of Pakistan and he feels he has not done anything illegal or counter to the interests of Pakistan regardless of what the PTI base may say or think.

Second, my point is not that those in power should mete out violence to the country's population. I am absolutely against it. What I said is that in Pakistan, all so-called dictatorial powers have kept their gloves on (you may disagree but you would be myopic in doing so). It could get a lot worse if we go by how other dictatorships have worked in various parts of the world. I am not wishing for this by any means and actually hope and pray for political reconciliation in the country.

As far as this claim of "Asim Muneer is now wearing bullet proof and carrying loaded gun", this is a figment of your imagination. If people were this insecure and afraid, they would have left the country for greener pastures long ago.

My reading of this is that most PTI walay are absolutely clueless about Asim Munir's convictions. This chap believes in what he is doing with absolute certainly and his conviction comes from his understanding of Pakistan's dynamics and of the religion (being a hafiz of Quran) he practices. His understanding, in all likelihood is far deeper than Imran Khan's. So the silly vilification campaign by the PTI targeting his person actually reinforces his conviction in what he is doing.

Bajwa was a certain type of a man, however, Asim Munir is cut from an entirely different cloth. I don't say this to praise him but just to point out that Kaptaan isn't the only one with conviction. Coming from a very humble background, Asim Munir is his own man, he is driven and he is here to make his mark. His ascendancy will also come to an end as all things do in due time, and he'd do well to not fall for hubris, as many have, however, his ascendency is not about self-preservation as you think of it.

When you are usurper, a retired general, a DGISI who was removed from post due to incompetency, managed to grab office of COAS by wheeling and dealing with Nora family, by default he is insecure like all usurpers are. This is basic human nature that most Muneer and generali touts do not understand. And this insecurity drives self preservation efforts, things like extension and so called life time immunity.

Yes constitutionally, the one who represent the will of the people via elections "have got all the solutions". Wheather its IK or a lamppost. Ofcourse, you as a citizens of Pakistan have right to criticise the policies and if you believe the incumbent is not up to your satisfaction, you will have your chance to kick that person out of the office in next election. The 22 graders within the walls of GHQ, they have zero say in this matter, their job is to wage war against the enemies of Pakistan, mostly external, as directed by the civilian overlords and also, as per Jinnah's clear instructions. If you believe otherwise, and I am being generous here, you have got "unconstitutional mindset", unfortunately most Muneer's touts do.

Now coming to your point about violence. In my opinion, we have already crossed that rubicon when citizens were mowed down in the capital when they were exercising their right to protest against the current Muneer's fascist regime. Anything more, we are into an open civil war. As to gloves off, well I got news for you, when these idiots tried it last time, we end up losing half of our country. Ring any bells? Kudos to IK, he is still calling them "my country and my army" shielding them as an intuition, which he should, but hey, retardness have no cure it seems. And here lies the danger. God forbid, if this snowballs into something nasty, things can be easily hijacked by actual enemies of Pakistan. The day you start using violence against the citizens of the country, to hold on to your power structure, you have already lost the plot.

Asim Muneer is a unsecure little fairy. He will sing, dance and weep like a fairy if put in similar conditions like IK, for mere 24 hours, alongside his other henchmen within GHQ. All usurpers are unsecure little rats. He is no exception. If he manage to survive which I dont think he will, and comes out alive out of his uniform, mark my words, just like his predecessors, will take the first flight out of Pakistan.

Last two paras are mere personality worship clut like response, I am not interested in that.