Pakistan shifts from stabilisation to export-led growth, says finance minister

[Jango]

Same principle applies to an ex-playboy trying to become a Caliph of Riyasat e Medina, right? You know the Urdu saying about 900 mice and the cat!

How is that even relevant to the point at hand?

I am telling you man, get an Imran Khan punching bag or something...would help.

 

[Taimoor]

What you see currently is NOTHING compared to what this very system can mete out. So hold on to your debt of gratitude, you may need it later.

Having the capacity to subject country's population to violence is one thing, consequences on the other hand however, can be quite drastic. Those abusing this capacity, are mostly individuals who are driven by self interests, hence self preservation is the ultimate goal. Would it worth all the efforts and evil schemes to get to where one at this point in time, to find at the receiving end of a stray lead aimed at the temple? Afterall, not all are as lucky as Trump. Hence why, Asim Muneer is now wearing bullet proof and carrying loaded gun. Actions will always find consequences waiting round the corner, its the law of the nature, no matter how powerful and resourceful one might be.

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

we need 20 - 30 year stability in policies to back on track

The policies are there but they're out of date, hence, reforms are in full swing since 2024 whether anyone likes it not.

Most people are so used to the existing policies, they fear the change, as well as not seeing the long term benefits.

There are actually people out there like PTI Shaikh Chillis as well as feudals who's sole agenda is to prevent any reform whatsoever.

 

[maxpane]

The policies are there but they're out of date, hence, reforms are in full swing since 2024 whether anyone likes it not.

Most people are so used to the existing policies, they fear the change, as well as not seeing the long term benefits.

There are actually people out there like PTI Shaikh Chillis as well as feudals who's sole agenda is to prevent any reform whatsoever.

our biggest challenge is energy crisis and volatile energy price . Hope govt should do to tackle it. past is past we cant change them but now its the time

 

[Taimoor]

and fatal intermixing of religion and state

Is it so? How did you come to this conclusion? Is it purely from western point of view or Islamic history? If we ignore glory days of Islamic political power, whats your understanding about separation of church from the state, and who were the players behind the movement? And how today in the country you belong to, from the same system build upon separation of religion from state, we are hearing strong voices of moulding the country back to its Christian outlook. Infact, its absurd to overlook the religion and its impact towards your country foreign policy specially concerning middle east.

 

[PakFactor]

as well as feudals who's sole agenda is to prevent any reform whatsoever.

You've touched on one of the core issues in Pakistan. Unless you break the elite capture that has a stranglehold, you can't expect any positive reforms to benefit the broader population.

As you might be aware, this is the first group Nehru cut down to size, and for good reason.

 

[PakFactor]

Is it so? How did you come to this conclusion? Is it purely from western point of view or Islamic history? If we ignore glory days of Islamic political power, whats your understanding about separation of church from the state, and who were the players behind the movement? And how today in the country you belong to, from the same system build upon separation of religion from state, we are hearing strong voices of moulding the country back to its Christian outlook. Infact, its absurd to overlook the religion and its impact towards your country foreign policy specially concerning middle east.

The use of religion in Pakistan has been used as a brainwashing tool to keep the illiterate in line and to scare the moderates into submission through blasphemy charges and other means. It's done more harm than good and has wasted away generations. It has prevented any meaningful reforms from taking place, as the sword of anti-Islamic behavior hangs over everyone's head. You can't assemble a team of sophisticated economists, God forbid one turns out to be a Ahmadi. Your textbooks since the Zia Era alone have Islamized things to a great extent; it's left children neither here nor there.

 

[Taimoor]

The use of religion in Pakistan has been used as a brainwashing tool to keep the illiterate in line and to scare the moderates into submission through blasphemy charges and other means. It's done more harm than good and has wasted away generations. It has prevented any meaningful reforms from taking place, as the sword of anti-Islamic behavior hangs over everyone's head. You can't assemble a team of sophisticated economists, God forbid one turns out to be a Ahmadi. Your textbooks since the Zia Era alone have Islamized things to a great extent; it's left children neither here nor there.

While in the states, many are advocating for Christian beliefs, the courts have upheld the U.S. and state constitutions as the supreme law of the land. The checks and balances are working, though eroding on the edges a bit.

Its not the use rather misuse of religion. Otherwise religion is a very powerful energy to achieve glory and unite people under one cause. If powers to be have misused religion for self interests, that shouldn't generalised this idea of religion = bad, when it comes to statecraft. Whole situation in middle east is based on religion from the opposite side, policies are formulated rather successfully based on religious ideas and beliefs.

 

[VCheng]

Is it so? How did you come to this conclusion?

The five pillars of what ails Pakistan are a package deal:

I keep highlighting, to no avail the REAL issues facing Pakistan: overpopulation, lack of health, education and social development, and fatal intermixing of religion and state.

Their solution also has to be a package deal, otherwise it does not work.

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

You've touched on one of the core issues in Pakistan. Unless you break the elite capture that has a stranglehold, you can't expect any positive reforms to benefit the broader population.

As you might be aware, this is the first group Nehru cut down to size, and for good reason.

But most of India is still ruled by feudals.

 

[Taimoor]

The five pillars of what ails Pakistan are a package deal:



Their solution also has to be a package deal, otherwise it does not work.

While I agree on first four, keep religion out of this. For the simple reason that on our opposite sides, both east and far west, their region is defining and carving their vision and long term goals. ME is getting reshaped rather successfully according to their own religious believes. On east their military high ups are using religion as their reason for the recent conflict with us. At the very basic understanding of faith, abandoning our faith as the matter of individual choices and not as a power of influence upon decision making at the level of state, will be disastrous.

 

[VCheng]

While I agree on first four, keep religion out of this.

That is not possible given the evidence. All five are a package deal for Pakistan.

 

[Taimoor]

That is not possible given the evidence. All five are a package deal for Pakistan.

You concerns are invalid because you didnt address what I wrote, and the reasons I mentioned.

 

[VCheng]

You concerns are invalid because you didnt address what I wrote, and the reasons I mentioned.

What you say is invalid, because Pakistan is not other countries, and other countries are definitely not Pakistan.

 

[Taimoor]

What you say is invalid, because Pakistan is not other countries, and other countries are definitely not Pakistan.

The day and age we are living, religion is more relevant now. Forces opposed to us are fully invested in their beliefs and dogmas, and if we abandoned ours, what is there to fight for? Statecraft is not just internal governance but external order around you as well, at bear minimum, in your proximity