Indian Missiles and Guided Munitions

[CallSignMaverick]

Pralay touches almost 7 mach at terminal phase that qualifies as hypersonic

No it doesn't. People need to stop calling every ballistic or depressed-trajectory missile as hypersonic.

 

[Tumba]

No it doesn't. People need to stop calling every ballistic or depressed-trajectory missile as hypersonic.

https://www.wionews.com/world/phili...c-missile-features-speed-range-1756115432595#

Here this news source quotes 6.1 mach for earlier versions of Pralay, so technically its hypersonic …

majority of BM are hypersonic in terminal phase, but easier to target due to ballistic trajectory, Pralay flies quasi ballistic trajectory hard to target, so it can do the same job as Brahmos also

From the news source:
“It is a hypersonic missile with a top speed of Mach 6.1, which reduces the probability of interception and increases the deployment speed. It is capable of delivering conventional warheads such as High Explosive Preformed Fragmentation, Penetration-Cum-Blast, and Runway Denial Penetration Submunitions, weighing from 350 kg up to 1,000 kg. ”

as per some tweets this test terminal phase speed was almost at 7 mach so thr is some likely propellent or trajectory adjustment too

 

[kimjongun]

Pralay touches almost 7 mach at terminal phase that qualifies as hypersonic

terminal speed regardless of trajectory doesnt count in hypersonic missiles

 

[kimjongun]

Its also one of the cheaper missiles in this range and unit cost will decrease more as production capacity increases … also it has extreme manoeuvrity high 30Gs

I weighs upward of 5t - the warhead...maneuvering is difficult at that weightage...iskander pulls around 25gs while having a weight of 3.5 to 4 tons ...mention the source....

 

[Tumba]

terminal speed regardless of trajectory doesnt count in hypersonic missiles

I understand that its not exactly a hypersonic glid vehicle or hypersonic cruise missile, but all Ballistic Missiles are basically Hypersonic and Pralay has manoeuvrity through TVC and fins so it kind of qualifies ???

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

Pralaay cost v Brahmos
I hear brahmos is 3 million per Missle older version to 5 million for air launched and next generation longer range versions

We have over 1000 already with second factory opened during o per p Sindoor we are building 200 per year
Do we really need that many

Learning from the Iran–Israel conflict—especially in the context of advanced air defenses like China’s, not Pakistan’s—India needs large numbers of missiles in storage, preferably solid-fuel, for rapid readiness. Relying on firing only a few missiles is not sustainable in a prolonged war. To survive and deter effectively, India must maintain a sizable, quickly deployable missile inventory.

 

[aurelianpilled]

Would Pakistan's equivalent, or at least very close to Pralay most likely be Fatah-3?, which, as per some, is sort of a version of the Abdali SRBM (?) in a way that Fatah-3 has a quasi-ballistic, probably depressed trajectory, vs. the traditional ballistic trajectory of the Hatf-series BMs + I think Fatah-3 has not yet been publicly unveiled.

 

[falcon34]

Would Pakistan's equivalent, or at least very close to Pralay most likely be Fatah-3?, which, as per some, is sort of a version of the Abdali SRBM (?) in a way that Fatah-3 has a quasi-ballistic, probably depressed trajectory, vs. the traditional ballistic trajectory of the Hatf-series BMs + I think Fatah-3 has not yet been publicly unveiled.

It's been tested, @Panzerkiel reported that range of 700km though he referred to as abdali for SPD it's abdali for rocket force it will be called F3.

 

[aurelianpilled]

Shaheen-1?

What exactly made you think that way? Shaheen series BMs have a clear-cut nuclear tag so I am certainly sure that we will use the Fatah series conventional vectors with at least a conventional variant of the Ra'ad 2 aka Taimoor ALCM.

Fatah-2 (longer range version, SRBM category? and not the GMLRS one) or at the very best; Fatah-3 might make an entry with Fatah-4 and Taimoor cruise missiles.

The reason is simple; Pakistan has been very deliberate in separating roles:

- Shaheen / Ababeel / Ghauri / Babur as well -> Strategic nuclear deterrence
- Nasr -> Explicit tactical nuclear deterrence

So, using Shaheen conventionally would defeat the entire purpose of having Fatah series assets. Plus, in case of an all-out war, we might see the usage of Shaheen series BMs in conventional role but in these short, intensive conflicts (like the May one), we will 100% use Fatah series assets.

 

[Tumba]

What exactly made you think that way? Shaheen series BMs have a clear-cut nuclear tag so I am certainly sure that we will use the Fatah series conventional vectors with at least a conventional variant of the Ra'ad 2 aka Taimoor ALCM.

Fatah-2 (longer range version, SRBM category? and not the GMLRS one) or at the very best; Fatah-3 might make an entry with Fatah-4 and Taimoor cruise missiles.

The reason is simple; Pakistan has been very deliberate in separating roles:

- Shaheen / Ababeel / Ghauri -> Strategic nuclear deterrence
- Nasr -> Explicit tactical nuclear deterrence

So, using Shaheen conventionally would defeat the entire purpose of having Fatah series assets. Plus, in case of an all-out war, we might see the usage of Shaheen series BMs in conventional role but in these short, intensive conflicts (like the May one), we will 100% use Fatah series assets.

makes sense but it wont matter to India is pakistan uses Shaheen series for conventional role as Radars doesnt know if a ballistic missile incoming is Shaheen or any other BM..

 

[Tumba]

Would Pakistan's equivalent, or at least very close to Pralay most likely be Fatah-3?, which, as per some, is sort of a version of the Abdali SRBM (?) in a way that Fatah-3 has a quasi-ballistic, probably depressed trajectory, vs. the traditional ballistic trajectory of the Hatf-series BMs + I think Fatah-3 has not yet been publicly unveiled.

Pralay has mature Jet Vanes + Aerodynamic Fins Long mastered by India for limited Agni versions aka MARV warhead versions…
I am yet to find MARV missiles in public in Pakistan so doubtful if anything similar is thr, pakistan can just buy chinese DF-12 I suppose?

 

[CallSignMaverick]

https://www.wionews.com/world/phili...c-missile-features-speed-range-1756115432595#

Here this news source quotes 6.1 mach for earlier versions of Pralay, so technically its hypersonic …

majority of BM are hypersonic in terminal phase, but easier to target due to ballistic trajectory, Pralay flies quasi ballistic trajectory hard to target, so it can do the same job as Brahmos also

From the news source:
“It is a hypersonic missile with a top speed of Mach 6.1, which reduces the probability of interception and increases the deployment speed. It is capable of delivering conventional warheads such as High Explosive Preformed Fragmentation, Penetration-Cum-Blast, and Runway Denial Penetration Submunitions, weighing from 350 kg up to 1,000 kg. ”

as per some tweets this test terminal phase speed was almost at 7 mach so thr is some likely propellent or trajectory adjustment too

Pralay is a manoeuvrable depressed-trajectory missile, yes. But it is not a hypersonic weapon. Those are it's peak velocities. Terminal velocity is >= mach 1-2.


Even Prithvi was capable of doing that.

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[Tumba]

Pralay is a manoeuvrable depressed-trajectory missile, yes. But it is not a hypersonic weapon. Those are it's peak velocities. Terminal velocity is >= mach 1-2.

U can check the WION news source link, it says 6.1 Mach number for terminal phase..
So I believe it to be coming from DRDO sources only and rhe number is similar to Iskandar M from Russia as both uses similar kind of tech

 

[aurelianpilled]

It's been tested, @Panzerkiel reported that range of 700km though he referred to as abdali for SPD it's abdali for rocket force it will be called F3.

yes, I am aware of its test back in April? or before the May war but we haven't seen F3s in parades or officially disclosed like F1, F2, F4, and Pralay

kept hidden and idk why

 

[CallSignMaverick]

U can check the WION news source link, it says 6.1 Mach number for terminal phase..
So I believe it to be coming from DRDO sources only and rhe number is similar to Iskandar M from Russia as both uses similar kind of tech

No it is not. They bleed energy quickly inside atmosphere and won't have such high terminal velocity unless and until the target is way too close.
There's a reason why LRAShM is called our first hypersonic missile, and not Pralay/Shaurya/K-15 (Sagarika). In fact even the SMART missile has similar design as the other three, think about it why it isn't called "HMART" instead of SMART with same design origin.