The Evolution of PAF's JF-17 Thunder through OCU [Operational Capability Upgrade] - News, Updates, Possibilities & Discussions.

[gamaji]

Are you stupid? Where in the hell did I ever indicate I'm against the Thunder, or that I'm at pains that it's spreading?

If you don't know what thr **** you're talking about, and just want a strawman to argue with, keep me out of it.

Good if you are not. Take it easy.

 

[CSAW]

 

[Cipher212]

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Of all the things that will never happen, this is the most never happening thing.

PFX should just be a Block 4 for JF-17 with more Pakistani input than Chinese. That is a realistic stepping stone.

 

[Samurai]

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Are we supposed to get excited or happy with such images? Not sure how I feel right now until I see something concrete coming out this year hopefully (but I am not sure that will happen), but at least they should present us with a proposed or approved model or any R&D related progress.

 

[CSAW]

PFX related

Pakistan JF 17 PFX Program Advances Despite J-35 KAAN Pursuit

ISLAMABAD: The Pakistan Air Force continues to invest heavily in the evolution of its flagship indigenous fighter, the JF-17 Thunder, through the ambitious

timesofislamabad.com

https://defencepk.com/forums/threads/jf-17-pfx-program.4318/post-1106185

 

[Ali_Baba]

PFX related

Pakistan JF 17 PFX Program Advances Despite J-35 KAAN Pursuit

ISLAMABAD: The Pakistan Air Force continues to invest heavily in the evolution of its flagship indigenous fighter, the JF-17 Thunder, through the ambitious

timesofislamabad.com

https://defencepk.com/forums/threads/jf-17-pfx-program.4318/post-1106185

I can get onboard with the concept of replacing the mission computers, radars and EW equipment of the JF17 to create a Block IV variant as being possible within PFX(/Alpha) with additional IRST sensors and new weapons.

I do however "get off the bus" in complete laughter on the concept that Pakistan can some how magically enlarge the airframe... That is absurd.

Pakistan does not have people with the right skillsets and proven experience to do that, nor does it have the infrastructure to test and validate that structure, nor does it have the ability to recertify/validate the airframe changes and all subsystems again for operational use.. Pakistan does not have FBW experts who can modify the FBW of the JF17 for its larger size, potentially new different engine with different kinetic properties and the weight differences. Nor does it have the infrastructure to actually build a larger airframe. Pakistan is still reliant on getting component manufacturers in China to build the "difficult" parts of the airframe and get that shipped to Pakistan.

I could go on, but it would be silly. If Pakistan manufactured 100% of the airframe in Pakistan, maybe I could make the mental leap to maybe Pakistan can, but it does not because it could not afford the tooling and heavy duty machining and presses required for that ...

Who is going to build this larger airframe if Pakistan is dependent on large portions of the airframe to come from China for the JF17C ??

This is a farcical fantasy article I am afraid, directed by the same person who thought Pakistan could do "Azm". They should stick to completely replacing the entire avionics/ew/radar/mission computes suite and chalk that down to a win for PFX and move on.

 

[Ak01]

I do however "get off the bus" in complete laughter on the concept that Pakistan can some how magically enlarge the airframe... That is absurd.

people seem to think all they need to do is scale the airframe up, simple, just make everything 25% bigger! lol

 

[JamD]

I could go on, but it would be silly. If Pakistan manufactured 100% of the airframe in Pakistan, maybe I could make the mental leap to maybe Pakistan can, but it does not because it could not afford the tooling and heavy duty machining and presses required for that ...

Even manufacturing 100% of the airframe doesn't necessarily do anything. That will just be PAC machines churning out parts currently being churned out in China. As you pointed out you need the R&D, certification, V&V infrastructure that is nonexistent.

 

[Ali_Baba]

Pakistan Air Force Advances JF 17 Self-Reliance with WS 13 Engine Integration

ISLAMABAD: In a significant stride toward aerospace independence, the Pakistan Air Force is poised to integrate the advanced Chinese Guizhou WS-13 turbofan

timesofislamabad.com

As per this article, we should not take Times Of Islamabad too seriously. The WS13 is not really being manufacture, it is now WS-21 and upcoming WS-19 in that category...

 

[CSAW]

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"What will the Pakistani PFX fighter look like? I did a step by step evolution of the publicly available image to get from a rough concept sketch to what an actual aircraft might look like.



Please note this is my own projection based on the concept art and some sensible parameters. I may be entirely wrong. But with that out of the way, follow along if you’re interested.Let’s start with this poster at NASTP. It gives us a reference for the official concept, even though it is unconfirmed and unfinalized etc etc.



Let’s clean this up a bit and analyze some characteristics. When you adjust contrast, a canopy emerges. It’s quite clear this is a lambda wing, ala J-50. The stealth shaping is also somewhat clear.



What if we fill this in with a skin to sort of get a rough and ready sense of the aircraft?We’re making some progress but we’re missing key features like the canopy. The engines aren’t quite clear. We strongly suspect the PFX is a single engine fighter. So, let’s fill all this in next





As we straighten this out, we can get a better sense of the Raptor like tail arrangement. But those twin nozzles have to go… let’s jump to a somewhat finalized design.



Rough, but indicative. Lambda wing. Single engine. F-22 like tail arrangement. You can see the JF-17 inspiration in the stealth shaped nose. The original concept art doesn’t make the inlets easy to gauge but I’ll say that with high likelihood the DSI design continues"

 

[Rational Philosopher]

I'm extremely bearish on everything I've seen so far on Pakistan's R&D. And I'm sure many allies, even if they don't openly say it, who want to work with Pakistan's industry also agree. [Like the Turks]

They've got hires putting up tons of decoration pieces and render images with really poor English basic copy-paste descriptions of how grand the project is.

If you read those notes it's like a teenager reading notes off a paper with little understanding or depth of what it is, in broken English.

I wish this wasn't the case but minor details like these say a lot. Can't be a very strong effort going into this.

 

[FarhanSiddiqui]

PFX related

Pakistan JF 17 PFX Program Advances Despite J-35 KAAN Pursuit

ISLAMABAD: The Pakistan Air Force continues to invest heavily in the evolution of its flagship indigenous fighter, the JF-17 Thunder, through the ambitious

timesofislamabad.com

https://defencepk.com/forums/threads/jf-17-pfx-program.4318/post-1106185

Just a negotiation ploy or bluff for better deal since Pakistan does not have the infrastructure to design/build a 5th generation fighter. It is all vaporware !

Vaporware refers to computer hardware, software, or technology products that are heavily advertised or announced by a company but are never actually released, or are significantly delayed, often never reaching the consumer. Coined in the 1980s, the term implies premature promotion, intentional hype, or development hell.

 

[JamD]

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"What will the Pakistani PFX fighter look like? I did a step by step evolution of the publicly available image to get from a rough concept sketch to what an actual aircraft might look like. Please note this is my own projection based on the concept art and some sensible parameters. I may be entirely wrong. But with that out of the way, follow along if you’re interested.Let’s start with this poster at NASTP. It gives us a reference for the official concept, even though it is unconfirmed and unfinalized etc etc.

Let’s clean this up a bit and analyze some characteristics. When you adjust contrast, a canopy emerges. It’s quite clear this is a lambda wing, ala J-50. The stealth shaping is also somewhat clear.

View attachment 174550

What if we fill this in with a skin to sort of get a rough and ready sense of the aircraft?We’re making some progress but we’re missing key features like the canopy. The engines aren’t quite clear. We strongly suspect the PFX is a single engine fighter. So, let’s fill all this in next


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As we straighten this out, we can get a better sense of the Raptor like tail arrangement. But those twin nozzles have to go… let’s jump to a somewhat finalized design

Rough, but indicative. Lambda wing. Single engine. F-22 like tail arrangement. You can see the JF-17 inspiration in the stealth shaped nose. The original concept art doesn’t make the inlets easy to gauge but I’ll say that with high likelihood the DSI design continues"

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[maverik]

I wish Madam Messiah from the old forum were here; she would have been able to tell us if any actual progress is being made on PFX

 

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