PAF J-10CE News, Updates and Discussion

[niubi]

Means J-10CEs can carry at least 6 PL15Es.........wonder if in future they can carry the same number of longer range PL16/17s? For 300km BVR ranges?

Definitely no dual racking PL-17 but PL-15/16 possibly.

Yes it's only seen on static display J-10C.

PL-17 possibly 2 units on wings. I hope they make J-10C capable of shooting PL-17. It can carry fuel tank and YJ-91 which are heavier and has more drag than PL-17. So if they really want to use PL-17, they could make it so. For PLAAF, it makes less sense since J-16 has much more range and energy than J-10C but PL-17 is such a powerful weapon so why not let J-10C extend its weapons.

 

[SABRE]

What about J-35? Do we still need 90+ J-10 with a 5th gen?

Short answer, yes.

It is best to have 4.5 gen aircraft operate alongside a 5th gen aircraft so the two could augment or complement each other's strengths and weaknesses. 4.5 are more cost-effective and hence can be available in relatively large numbers than the 5th gen. Moreover, 4th gen aircraft have better operational availability compared to 5th gen owing to their simpler maintenance feature and fewer stealth-related constraints. From the available info (may or may not be reliable), the 5th gen jets like F-22 and F-35 have ~50%-60% operational availability. Whereas 4.5 gen jets have ~75% availability. So, yes, we need 90-110+ J-10C, not merely to augment J-35 but also replace the F-16s in the future. JF-17 will be the workhorse. PFX only factors when/if it comes to fruition.

 

[AeronautIR]

Short answer, yes.

It is best to have 4.5 gen aircraft operate alongside a 5th gen aircraft so the two could augment or complement each other's strengths and weaknesses. 4.5 are more cost-effective and hence can be available in relatively large numbers than the 5th gen. Moreover, 4th gen aircraft have better operational availability compared to 5th gen owing to their simpler maintenance feature and fewer stealth-related constraints. From the available info (may or may not be reliable), the 5th gen jets like F-22 and F-35 have ~50%-60% operational availability. Whereas 4.5 gen jets have ~75% availability. So, yes, we need 90-110+ J-10C, not merely to augment J-35 but also replace the F-16s in the future. JF-17 will be the workhorse. PFX only factors when/if it comes to fruition.

Alright then... let's see how it goes with J-10C procurement.

 

[Fatman17]

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[rafale]

Short answer, yes.

It is best to have 4.5 gen aircraft operate alongside a 5th gen aircraft so the two could augment or complement each other's strengths and weaknesses. 4.5 are more cost-effective and hence can be available in relatively large numbers than the 5th gen. Moreover, 4th gen aircraft have better operational availability compared to 5th gen owing to their simpler maintenance feature and fewer stealth-related constraints. From the available info (may or may not be reliable), the 5th gen jets like F-22 and F-35 have ~50%-60% operational availability. Whereas 4.5 gen jets have ~75% availability. So, yes, we need 90-110+ J-10C, not merely to augment J-35 but also replace the F-16s in the future. JF-17 will be the workhorse. PFX only factors when/if it comes to fruition.

J-35 in Indo-Pak environment will be employed to go further in (taking advantage of their LO features) and kill enemy S-400 and SAMs. Once that is achieved (since CM400 sized missiles wont be carried internally it would affect the overall stealth of the J-35, so you fire them first at stand off ranges)then utilize the internal PL15/16s for killing any jets further ahead. This is of course that you have longer range radars or cueing from AEWACs and Data links. J-10Cs and JF-17s can then go in without the threat of S-400 and launch their glide munitions and also perform CAPs. So J-35s are a no brainer....but support JF-17 and J-10 are also needed to follow up with strikes

 

[Waz]

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We shall save these on a dedicated thread. The Indians online in their millions are doing their level best to erase and wipe over as much evidence as possible of their losses.

 

[mdmm55]

Pakistan getting 70 of J-10CE from China.

India’s Massive Rafale Expansion Sparks Pakistan’s J-10CE Surge and J-35 Stealth Fighter Fast-Track​

How India’s plan to field more than 200 Rafale fighters is accelerating Pakistan’s shift toward combat-proven J-10CEs and fifth-generation J-35 stealth aircraft.​

India’s Massive Rafale Expansion Sparks Pakistan’s J-10CE Surge and J-35 Stealth Fighter Fast-Track - Defence Security Asia

India’s plan to acquire 114 additional Rafale fighter jets is reshaping South Asia’s airpower balance, pushing Pakistan to expand its J-10CE fleet and accelerate induction of J-35 stealth fighters after combat lessons from the May 2025 conflict.

defencesecurityasia.com

 

[Yasser76]

Pakistan getting 70 of J-10CE from China.

India’s Massive Rafale Expansion Sparks Pakistan’s J-10CE Surge and J-35 Stealth Fighter Fast-Track​

How India’s plan to field more than 200 Rafale fighters is accelerating Pakistan’s shift toward combat-proven J-10CEs and fifth-generation J-35 stealth aircraft.​

India’s Massive Rafale Expansion Sparks Pakistan’s J-10CE Surge and J-35 Stealth Fighter Fast-Track - Defence Security Asia

India’s plan to acquire 114 additional Rafale fighter jets is reshaping South Asia’s airpower balance, pushing Pakistan to expand its J-10CE fleet and accelerate induction of J-35 stealth fighters after combat lessons from the May 2025 conflict.

defencesecurityasia.com

"massive Rafale expansion" when it still require two more levels of approval and a contract signature?

This deal will probably not happen, and if it does, I may well be retire when they sign the contract in Modi's old peoples home....

 

[Deino]

Pakistan getting 70 of J-10CE from China.

India’s Massive Rafale Expansion Sparks Pakistan’s J-10CE Surge and J-35 Stealth Fighter Fast-Track​

How India’s plan to field more than 200 Rafale fighters is accelerating Pakistan’s shift toward combat-proven J-10CEs and fifth-generation J-35 stealth aircraft.​

India’s Massive Rafale Expansion Sparks Pakistan’s J-10CE Surge and J-35 Stealth Fighter Fast-Track - Defence Security Asia

India’s plan to acquire 114 additional Rafale fighter jets is reshaping South Asia’s airpower balance, pushing Pakistan to expand its J-10CE fleet and accelerate induction of J-35 stealth fighters after combat lessons from the May 2025 conflict.

defencesecurityasia.com

No-one ever mentioned „additional 70 J-10CE“ … so again a totally made-up-fake report!

 

[Shui]

So the guy in this podcast (joined by some well known Chinese defense bloggers) said the backlog of order for
J-10CE has already reached three digits.

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[Michael]

Means J-10CEs can carry at least 6 PL15Es.........wonder if in future they can carry the same number of longer range PL16/17s? For 300km BVR ranges?

Again, I would be careful ... these belly-twin-pylon adapters have so far only been seen on a static specimen at an Air Shown loaded with PL-12!
We have NO INFO SO FAR it is in service already, it is used by Pakistan or if it could also carry two PL-15!

And please ... check the size of a PL-17! that's plain impossible!

Information to date:

The PAF's J-10CE frequently uses a "4+2+3" air combat loadout configuration (4x PL-15E + 2x PL-10E + 3x external fuel tanks).

The PLAAF's J-10C frequently uses a "2+2+3" air combat loadout configuration. Sometimes, the number of external fuel tanks is reduced, and other functional pods are added instead. However, the missile loadout generally remains a "2+2" configuration.

To date, the only visible information regarding the "PLAAF's J-10C adopting a '4+2+3' weapons configuration" comes from some photos of the aircraft on the ground; there are no photos of it flying in the air.


More mounting configurations were only shown during the static display of the J-10CE at the Zhuhai Airshow.
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The "PL-17 air-to-air missile" is currently still in the testing phase, and all information comes from unofficial sources. We cannot fully confirm the accuracy of these performance parameters.
Even if this information is correct, it is unlikely to be used on the J-10CE. It is completely outside the operational capabilities of the J-10CE.

 

[rafale]

Information to date:

The PAF's J-10CE frequently uses a "4+2+3" air combat loadout configuration (4x PL-15E + 2x PL-10E + 3x external fuel tanks).

The PLAAF's J-10C frequently uses a "2+2+3" air combat loadout configuration. Sometimes, the number of external fuel tanks is reduced, and other functional pods are added instead. However, the missile loadout generally remains a "2+2" configuration.

To date, the only visible information regarding the "PLAAF's J-10C adopting a '4+2+3' weapons configuration" comes from some photos of the aircraft on the ground; there are no photos of it flying in the air.
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More mounting configurations were only shown during the static display of the J-10CE at the Zhuhai Airshow.
========================
The "PL-17 air-to-air missile" is currently still in the testing phase, and all information comes from unofficial sources. We cannot fully confirm the accuracy of these performance parameters.
Even if this information is correct, it is unlikely to be used on the J-10CE. It is completely outside the operational capabilities of the J-10CE.

Then what option is available for J-10CEs to use a missile with range longer than PL15? Like for range up to or beyond 300km?

 

[Michael]

Then what option is available for J-10CEs to use a missile with range longer than PL15? Like for range up to or beyond 300km?

According to currently released official information, the J-10C fighter jet's radar has a detection range exceeding 200 km.

Based on this, the J-10C fighter jet's radar fire control range is within 200 km. However, the PL-15 air-to-air missile has a maximum range exceeding 200 km. This means that to utilize the PL-15 air-to-air missile to its full potential, additional assistance is needed. Of course, in a real battlefield, the actual attack range is affected by many factors.

For the PAF (Pakistan Air Force), the PL-15E and J-10CE are a perfect match. If the PAF wants to use longer-range air-to-air missiles, it must further enhance its integrated air combat capabilities. Simply put, it needs another means with a longer radar fire control range to help guide the longer-range air-to-air missiles launched by the J-10CE. But the PAF currently lacks this capability. None of the PAF's existing resources can support this.

 

[Falcon26]

According to currently released official information, the J-10C fighter jet's radar has a detection range exceeding 200 km.

Based on this, the J-10C fighter jet's radar fire control range is within 200 km. However, the PL-15 air-to-air missile has a maximum range exceeding 200 km. This means that to utilize the PL-15 air-to-air missile to its full potential, additional assistance is needed. Of course, in a real battlefield, the actual attack range is affected by many factors.

For the PAF (Pakistan Air Force), the PL-15E and J-10CE are a perfect match. If the PAF wants to use longer-range air-to-air missiles, it must further enhance its integrated air combat capabilities. Simply put, it needs another means with a longer radar fire control range to help guide the longer-range air-to-air missiles launched by the J-10CE. But the PAF currently lacks this capability. None of the PAF's existing resources can support this.

Isn’t that were the Erieye aew come in? In the May conflict, it’s speculated the J-10c acted as a missile truck with the guidance and control of the pl-15 remaining with the Erieye. In this case, the radar range of the j-10c is irrelevant.

 

[Michael]

Isn’t that were the Erieye aew come in? In the May conflict, it’s speculated the J-10c acted as a missile truck with the guidance and control of the pl-15 remaining with the Erieye. In this case, the radar range of the j-10c is irrelevant.

No non-Chinese early warning aircraft and radar systems can guide the PL-15E air-to-air missile. This is unrelated to how advanced these systems are; it's a top military secret. No one would allow this to happen.

The ZDK-03 AEW&C, due to generational differences in technology, also cannot guide the PL-15E air-to-air missile.

These systems can only provide early warning information to the J-10CE and do not have the capability for Cooperative Engagement Capability (CEC) with the J-10CE.

The Erieye AEW&C possesses data processing capabilities at the level of an airborne network-centric warfare system, but it lacks the data sharing capabilities required for fire control.
Simply put, it cannot provide guidance for air-to-air missiles to any fighter aircraft. This capability is impossible even with fighter jets from NATO countries with whom there are no security concerns whatsoever.