India Economy Thread

@r3alist bro

If you ask me, I don't think we will ever catch up with them. But we can certainly be a better India than what we are today.

If you want to learn from the Chinese, create your own h1b to attract the Chinese into India

Yes, there are many domains where we are not present at all. We will need to attract talent in these sectors, not only from Chinese but also Japanese, Europeans and Russians. But that would need an India Inc which is willing to pay top dollars for attracting such talent, and this spend will itself be a fraction of the total R&D spend that will need to be incurred.

Unfortunately, as we discussed on that Reliance battery cell thingy our seths, even the richest of them, are unwilling to spend that money aka risk capital. They would rather spend money on trading, arbitrage opportunities and bribing to get sweetheart deals.

Regards
 
@r3alist bro

If you ask me, I don't think we will ever catch up with them. But we can certainly be a better India than what we are today.

If you want to learn from the Chinese, create your own h1b to attract the Chinese into India

Yes, there are many domains where we are not present at all. We will need to attract talent in these sectors, not only from Chinese but also Japanese, Europeans and Russians. But that would need an India Inc which is willing to pay top dollars for attracting such talent, and this spend will itself be a fraction of the total R&D spend that will need to be incurred.

Unfortunately, as we discussed on that Reliance battery cell thingy our seths, even the richest of them, are unwilling to spend that money aka risk capital. They would rather spend money on trading, arbitrage opportunities and bribing to get sweetheart deals.

Regards
The Chinese used their own brainpower, ok a little bit of ip borrowing, but they have the brainpower to make things work, in that sense I agree you may not catch up, there is a cultural difference on substance over form, Chinese value the former.
 
@r3alist bro

Although this is a bit off topic, I have never heard your views on the Pak economy and seldom see you post there. What are your views on Pak's economic path ahead? What about Pak "brainpower"?

Regards
 
Then that is a benchmark

In any case you are asking to have the same opportunities China had 30 years ago, and complain that you do not get this largess from the West.

I don't see how you can avoid the Shadow of China.

Ok you can celebrate every factory made across the entirety of India, but India is three or four percent of global manufacturing, China is something like 30 or more, that too in value add and top tier research development and product.


China has The foundations for exponential development, this is a daunting thought for Indians I know, in fact I do not think the concept is understood or discussed


Another way to appropriately illustrate this is your tejas program is coming onto half a century, in that time China has an entire fleet of fifth gen fighters, their own engines and are looking at the next gen already. That is manufacturing research, delivery, and everything else delivered. If you want to learn from the Chinese, create your own h1b to attract the Chinese into India 😇🙃


All of that is broadly true, and yes, China’s scale and depth aren’t something India can realistically replicate line by line. But accepting that doesn’t mean we throw up our hands or get salty about China doing well.

India doesn’t need exponential, China style growth for progress to matter. Even modest improvements in manufacturing or tech capability move the needle for hundreds of millions of people. That alone makes it worth doing. Improvement on our own baseline year on year is still success enough.
 
All of that is broadly true, and yes, China’s scale and depth aren’t something India can realistically replicate line by line. But accepting that doesn’t mean we throw up our hands or get salty about China doing well.

India doesn’t need exponential, China style growth for progress to matter. Even modest improvements in manufacturing or tech capability move the needle for hundreds of millions of people. That alone makes it worth doing. Improvement on our own baseline year on year is still success enough.
Fair post, however some countries need some exponential growth areas more than others
 
@r3alist bro

Although this is a bit off topic, I have never heard your views on the Pak economy and seldom see you post there. What are your views on Pak's economic path ahead? What about Pak "brainpower"?

Regards

He is clearly Chinese. They have brain power, Indians don't. But do other South Asians have brain power? Weird, weird.
 
Taiwanese showmaker Pou Chen is pumping 2300 crore in TN again. This time for none-leather footwear.
 
He is clearly Chinese. They have brain power, Indians don't. But do other South Asians have brain power? Weird, weird.
But they do have brain power, I'm only talking about the Chinese. Whenever these IQ tests are done I have not seen one version where China are not top 10 or top 5.

Make of that what you will.
 
But they do have brain power, I'm only talking about the Chinese. Whenever these IQ tests are done I have not seen one version where China are not top 10 or top 5.

Make of that what you will.

Sure bud, like I didn't study with them, right? Do Pakistani people possess this brain power? Just be honest with us.

India has no shortage of decent brain power. Problem is utility. Brain power means s..t, It's intent and money that sings. Indian government has zero intent and spends no money. Chinese have bled like in trillions to boost science and tech. It is not that they posses magical "brain power". All rich countries have this "brain power". No country has more "brain power" than tiny Israel. Money goes a long way.
 
Sure bud, like I didn't study with them, right? Do Pakistani people possess this brain power? Just be honest with us.

India has no shortage of decent brain power. Problem is utility. Brain power means s..t, It's intent and money that sings. Indian government has zero intent and spends no money. Chinese have bled like in trillions to boost science and tech. It is not that they posses magical "brain power". All rich countries have this "brain power". No country has more "brain power" than tiny Israel. Money goes a long way.


Actually perhaps India does have a shortage of brain power, because some of your best human resources leave and that seems to make a difference? Is this not your consensus internally

When I say brains and intelligence, I mean average intelligence and enough intelligence commensurate to the needs of your ambitions, we can take chip manufacturing and the need for appropriate water, well the condition of your water is also maybe related to how people treat the water in India.


Back to China, if we assume China is at the higher average IQ, then you have a billion plus people, how many will be on the right hand skew on the distribution of intelligence..... The answer is a lot. And they work really hard. This links to a previous point on natural upper limits.
 
Actually perhaps India does have a shortage of brain power, because some of your best human resources leave and that seems to make a difference? Is this not your consensus internally

When I say brains and intelligence, I mean average intelligence and enough intelligence commensurate to the needs of your ambitions, we can take chip manufacturing and the need for appropriate water, well the condition of your water is also maybe related to how people treat the water in India.


Back to China, if we assume China is at the higher average IQ, then you have a billion plus people, how many will be on the right hand skew on the distribution of intelligence..... The answer is a lot. And they work really hard. This links to a previous point on natural upper limits.

Gotcha. I skipped the rest. Sorry, hard to read so much simping. I guess I will give 25 years to see if China can produce a fraction of Nobel Laurates that Israel has produced, nevermind big nations like UK, Germany...or worse America.

Chinese are no different from Japanese. For all it's magical growth, Japanese were never out of the box thinkers. I expect China to be a bigger Japan.
 
Gotcha. I skipped the rest. Sorry, hard to read so much simping. I guess I will give 25 years to see if China can produce a fraction of Nobel Laurates that Israel has produced, nevermind big nations like UK, Germany...or worse America.

Chinese are no different from Japanese. For all it's magical growth, Japanese were never out of the box thinkers. I expect China to be a bigger Japan.
So keeping the discussion on the economy, Nobel prizes are not a prerequisite for robust and deep economic development.

The point I am making is they have the average development and intelligence to have first world cities more or less. That's because the average is strong , enough to maintain standards.

If you want to talk about simping, then bringing Israeli Nobel prize winners is exactly that.
 
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Is this true @vasanthm Garu, @Vkdindian1 sb @r3alist bro


In the high-stakes theater of international diplomacy, silence is rarely just silence. When U.S. Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick announced this January that a landmark trade deal with India had stalled because Prime Minister Narendra Modi "did not call" President Trump to finalize the terms, the explanation was as convenient as it was implausible.

To the casual observer, it painted a picture of bureaucratic hesitation. But to those watching the flow of global capital, the silence on the phone line masked a thunderous shift in the global economic order.

While Washington focused on tariffs and trade deficits, New Delhi quietly engineered a financial mechanism that the United States has historically treated as a red line: the ability to buy oil without the dollar.

A rigorous analysis of regulatory filings, central bank data, and geopolitical signaling reveals that the trade impasse of early 2026 is not about almonds or steel.

It is the first major casualty of the "Petro-Rupee," a strategy that has placed the world’s oldest democracy and its largest democracy on a collision course over the future of financial sovereignty.

The "Red Line" and the Greenback

To understand the gravity of the rift, one must look past the current headlines to the foundation of American power. Since 1974, when the Nixon administration struck a pact with Saudi Arabia, the global oil trade has been denominated effectively exclusively in U.S. dollars.

This "Petrodollar" system forces nations to hold vast dollar reserves, which are recycled back into U.S. Treasury bonds, financing American deficits and cementing the dollar's global supremacy.

As former Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan candidly noted in his memoirs, the Iraq war was "largely about oil"—a resource inseparable from the currency used to buy it.

For decades, this was a line no ally would cross. But in the shifting landscape of 2026, India has done just that.

History has been unkind to those who challenge this arrangement. When Saddam Hussein switched Iraqi oil sales to the Euro in 2000, or when Muammar Gaddafi proposed a gold-backed African currency in 2011, the geopolitical consequences were severe.

The Smoking Gun: August 2025

The deterioration of economic relations can be traced precisely to mid-2025. While public attention was fixed on diplomatic pleasantries, the Reserve Bank of India (RBI) was dismantling the "Rupee Trap" that had hindered its trade with Russia in Rupee.

For months, Moscow had been accumulating billions in Indian Rupees from oil sales that it couldn't spend. Then, on August 12, 2025, the RBI issued a quiet but revolutionary circular. It authorized foreign holders of "Special Rupee Vostro Accounts" (SRVAs) to invest their surplus balances into Indian Government Securities and Treasury Bills.

In a move that alarmed U.S. strategists even more, India and the UAE—two key American partners—began operationalizing a Local Currency Settlement system. The Indian Oil Corporation paid for a million barrels of Abu Dhabi crude in rupees, proving the concept worked.

By 2025, this corridor had deepened, with the UAE pumping $22.84 billion in foreign direct investment into India to balance the currency flows, and the Abu Dhabi Investment Authority setting up shop in Gujarat's GIFT City.

This was the smoking gun. By allowing Russia to recycle its oil revenue directly into Indian sovereign debt, New Delhi created a closed-loop financial system. Russian oil profits were no longer chasing U.S. Treasuries; they were funding Indian infrastructure. The reaction from Washington was swift. Within weeks, the U.S. imposed tariffs of up to 50 percent on select Indian goods—a punitive strike that signaled the partnership was in jeopardy.

By late 2025, this alternative financial architecture had expanded far beyond a wartime necessity for Russian oil. The RBI had permitted 123 correspondent banks from 30 countries—including the United Kingdom, Germany, Israel, and Singapore—to open 156 Special Rupee accounts. Data from November 2025 showed India importing 7.7 million tonnes of Russian oil in a single month, accounting for 35 percent of its total intake, largely settled outside the dollar system. But the shift wasn't just with sanctioned states.

The Last Straw: India Takes the Wheel at BRICS

While the "Petro-Rupee" laid the kindling, the spark that finally burned the bridge was India’s bold assumption of leadership within the BRICS currency project. As the host of the 2026 BRICS Summit, New Delhi has moved beyond passive participation to active architecture. The Reserve Bank of India has formally proposed linking the Central Bank Digital Currencies (CBDCs) of member nations—a project dubbed the "BRICS Bridge."

Building on the 2025 Rio de Janeiro declaration, India is pushing for a proprietary, interoperable payment rail that would allow Russia, China, India, and new members like the UAE to settle trade instantly in digital local currencies, completely bypassing the U.S. banking system.


This is not merely a theoretical exercise; with the RBI actively pilot-testing the e-Rupee’s cross-border capabilities, India is effectively building a "digital SWIFT" immune to Western sanctions. For the Trump administration, this was the final provocation. It wasn't just evasion; it was replacement.

Conclusion: A Monetary Mutiny

This aggressive push for a parallel financial system became the veritable last straw on the camel's back for the stalled trade deal. In December 2024, President-elect Trump issued a blunt ultimatum: any move by BRICS nations to create a new currency or back an alternative to the dollar would be met with 100 percent tariffs.

Washington views India’s 2026 agenda not as economic modernization, but as a "monetary mutiny." The sages who studied the rise and fall of kingdoms would chuckle today, for the lesson is ancient: money is the hard-earned fruit of labor, while currency is merely the paper promise that it still tastes good.


Money—like gold and silver—is the crystallized effort of real work. Currency, however, is its excitable younger cousin: useful for trade, but spoiled the moment rulers discover the printing press.

India has chosen to bear the cost of tariffs rather than surrender the sovereignty of its "crystallized effort." The trade deal may be officially "stalled" due to a missed phone call, but in reality, it lies buried under the foundation of the new BRICS financial architecture—a foundation India is now actively pouring concrete for better future.

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