German economy is collapsing

[PakFactor]

Good, after two world wars, and the Holocaust they deserve this punishment.

I would say that in the next global economic crisis, it wouldn't just be Germany; it could engulf many other nations, and countries like Pakistan would be even harder hit.

But what Germany and others are facing are headwinds from factors both beyond their control and within it, and the same for other countries. If the industrial heart of Europe starts fading, you can expect its ramifications to hit home in North America.

 

[MH.Yang]

There is no solution. that’s not a technical problem. Merkel boxed Germany into a corner there is no escape. Too late.
She scraped nuclear power plants. She bet the fate of Germany on a poker table. She bets on Russia as energy supplier, China as consumers market, USA as security provider.
Now shit happens.
All 3 China, US and Russia run away.
On top she let 1 million of migrants into the country. Nothing wrong with immigration but she let people in from aliens far from civilization.
You think Chinese Mercedes will help? No, thanks to Ccp, Chinese to buy BYD, Xpeng or I don’t know 100 other Chinese brands instead of Mercedes.

Vietnam has integrated itself into China's industrial chain and has gained huge profits and rapid development opportunities from it. Why can't Germany do the same thing? Especially when you no longer have a better option.

Moreover, German companies gather in the same city in China, which not only allows them to remit funds back to Germany but also maintains a high degree of independence in China's industrial chain. If the German government can restore the business environment within Germany, these companies can relocate back to Germany at any time.

Or do you think these companies should listen to Trump or Modi and relocate their businesses to the United States or India?

 

[Viet]

Vietnam has integrated itself into China's industrial chain and has gained huge profits and rapid development opportunities from it. Why can't Germany do the same thing? Especially when you no longer have a better option.

Moreover, German companies gather in the same city in China, which not only allows them to remit funds back to Germany but also maintains a high degree of independence in China's industrial chain. If the German government can restore the business environment within Germany, these companies can relocate back to Germany at any time.

Or do you think these companies should listen to Trump or Modi and relocate their businesses to the United States or India?

In global economy it makes only sense you make something people buy. As said Vietnam runs at least 20y behind China in economic development, we are in a much weaker position but we share the same civilization the same world view we share the same border we are complementary.

You can compare Germany to the Netherlands. They share the same border, same language root, same same everything. That explains Germany and Netherlands are complementary.

Now China, Germany two countries,, total different civilizations that produce similar the same product categories they compete on the same market that will never work. They will try to kill off each other.

 

[Eşbah]

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[chinasun]

Perhaps the future will see not Germany’s collapse, but China’s economic growth grinding to a halt.

China has joined the world’s lowest-fertility club, with a total fertility rate of just 1.07 and a population now shrinking by roughly 5.5 million each year. At the same time, per-capita GDP is climbing fast; the government forecasts it will hit 30,000 within a decade. A demographic avalanche and rising incomes are unfolding side by side—an “aging before affluence” stress test that could stall the growth engine sooner than expected.

 

[冖_冖]

Exactly the opposite. China's industrial chain is protecting the only remaining large enterprises in Germany, and China is now a refuge for German companies.

You can go to Taicang County, Jiangsu Province, China to take a look. German companies are all taking refuge there. There are currently 568 German companies in Taicang County, among which 18 of the top 20 German companies are located in Taicang County. These German companies are using China's industrial chain to sustain their survival.

Germany’s Investment in China Hits a Four-Year High

According to data compiled by the German Economic Institute (IW), German investment in China rose to more than $8 billion in 2024.

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Germany’s Investment in China Hits a Four-Year High​

Tuesday, January 27, 2026

BERLIN/FRANKFURT, Jan 27 (Reuters) - Investments by German companies in China hit a four-year high in 2025, data compiled for Reuters shows, underscoring how U.S. President Donald Trump's trade policy is pushing industries and ‌governments to boost business ties elsewhere.

The previously unreported data from the IW German Economic Institute showed investments in China rose to more than 7 billion euros ($8 billion) between January and November last year, up 55.5% from 4.5 billion euros in 2024 and 2023.

At the same time, German companies nearly halved their investments in the United States during the first year of Trump’s second term. Meanwhile, China reclaimed its position as Germany’s largest trading partner last year, after having been overtaken by the U.S. in 2024.

The figures illustrate how the Trump administration’s aggressive tariff policies following its return to the White House have undermined business confidence among firms in Europe’s largest economy, prompting them to look to China as an alternative market.

This shift comes as the EU signed a free trade agreement with Mercosur just weeks ago and finalized another deal with India only hours ago.

Middle powers seek alternatives​

Germany is not alone in strengthening trade ties beyond the U.S. sphere of influence. British officials are traveling to China this week in hopes of securing additional trade agreements, ranging from automobiles to pharmaceuticals.

Similarly, Canada is looking to expand its trade relationships with China and India. In this context, Prime Minister Mark Carney presented an alternative to Trump’s worldview at the World Economic Forum in Davos last week.

Carney argued that while the rules-based global order may have come to an end, Canada and other “middle powers” can act collectively to avoid becoming casualties of U.S. trade policy. “When the rules no longer protect you, you have to protect yourself,” he said.

The remark came shortly before Carney continued negotiations with China on a preliminary trade agreement that would include preferential access for Chinese electric vehicles to the Canadian market. Shortly thereafter, Trump threatened to impose a 100% tariff on Canadian products.

https://www.reuters.com/world/china/german-firms-investments-china-boomed-2025-us-trade-war-worries-2026-01-27/

German firms' China investments driven to four-year high by US trade wars​

January 27, 202611:16 AM UTCUpdated ago

 

[Thinking]

Perhaps the future will see not Germany’s collapse, but China’s economic growth grinding to a halt.

China has joined the world’s lowest-fertility club, with a total fertility rate of just 1.07 and a population now shrinking by roughly 5.5 million each year. At the same time, per-capita GDP is climbing fast; the government forecasts it will hit 30,000 within a decade. A demographic avalanche and rising incomes are unfolding side by side—an “aging before affluence” stress test that could stall the growth engine sooner than expected.

Aren't you going all out on robotics like Japan? Few can sustain the growth.

 

[chinasun]

Aren't you going all out on robotics like Japan? Few can sustain the growth.

The future holds various possibilities. It is no small challenge for China to achieve its goals in the next decade.

 

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German industrial output falls to 2005 levels as auto sector craters

Weak August data raises risk of Eurozone’s biggest economy falling back into technical recession

German industrial production fell back to 2005 levels in August as output in the country’s all-important car industry cratered by 18.5 per cent compared with the previous month.

The unexpectedly poor data comes as German Chancellor Friedrich Merz is set to meet the bosses of the country’s carmakers on Thursday in Berlin to discuss the woes of the struggling sector. Merz has promised to reinvigorate the Eurozone’s biggest economy but has so far fallen flat.

Overall, industrial production fell 4.3 per cent in August compared with the previous month, seasonally adjusted data showed on Wednesday. Economists had predicted a smaller drop of 1 per cent in a Reuters poll.

German industrial output falls to 2005 levels as auto sector craters

Weak August data raises risk of Eurozone’s biggest economy falling back into technical recession

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That is call Palestinian curse

 

[hussain0216]

Perhaps the future will see not Germany’s collapse, but China’s economic growth grinding to a halt.

China has joined the world’s lowest-fertility club, with a total fertility rate of just 1.07 and a population now shrinking by roughly 5.5 million each year. At the same time, per-capita GDP is climbing fast; the government forecasts it will hit 30,000 within a decade. A demographic avalanche and rising incomes are unfolding side by side—an “aging before affluence” stress test that could stall the growth engine sooner than expected.

Both Europe and South East Asia have the same demographic crisis

Faith and culture have been replaced and the new system doesn't really create families



Europe is facing a crisis upon a crisis , fundamentally Europe is too expensive, so to produce anything in Europe means a high end product cost

Compared to products in China or the rest of the world

For a number of decades the system worked, because Europeans could say, their products were of higher quality and from known established brands

But in 2025, Chinese and other companies have been established for a while and their products have become better over the years, where now the quality is equal to anything produced in Europe

So Europe is a consumer economy and new innovation is increasingly happening outside of Europe

Combine this and multiple other factors with a ageing population (average age of 47 in Germany), low birth rate and the need to import more and more migrants to cover the basic needs of society then you can see how Europe is sliding with very little options left

 

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They're still banning cheap gas from Russia. He's an idiot. They were getting gas from Russia. Prices were like it was agreement in 2002.

 

[MH.Yang]

Both Europe and South East Asia have the same demographic crisis

Faith and culture have been replaced and the new system doesn't really create families



Europe is facing a crisis upon a crisis , fundamentally Europe is too expensive, so to produce anything in Europe means a high end product cost

Compared to products in China or the rest of the world

For a number of decades the system worked, because Europeans could say, their products were of higher quality and from known established brands

But in 2025, Chinese and other companies have been established for a while and their products have become better over the years, where now the quality is equal to anything produced in Europe

So Europe is a consumer economy and new innovation is increasingly happening outside of Europe

Combine this and multiple other factors with a ageing population (average age of 47 in Germany), low birth rate and the need to import more and more migrants to cover the basic needs of society then you can see how Europe is sliding with very little options left

Most young Germans are Muslims, and if Germany expands its military significantly, it will inevitably lead to the Islamization of the military.

 

[retaxis]

China actually has the housing and infrastructure to absorb a much larger population growth.

 

[Eşbah]

Germany's share of Global GDP expected to fall to 4% by 2030, the lowest level in AT LEAST half a century

 

[Waz]

Decimation of their manufacturing base as it loses out to cheaper and in some cases better competition, combine that with falling birth rates and the desperation importing lots of foreign labour e.g. from India. It's very dismal now and for the future.