Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds
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Bharatah
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A nuclear agreement was made in 2015, but Trump (taking orders from Netanyahu and the Zionist elite) broke the agreement. They don't want to stop "Iran's atomic bomb," that's a lie, and it's the same lie as the "Iraq's weapons of mass destruction" of 2003. They want to destroy Iran and kill millions of Iranians, as they do and have done in Gaza, Iraq, Libya, Syria, etc. Iran will therefore fight back one way or another, as it has already repelled several attacks and various color revolutions.
My friend, these forces have carried out countless attacks against Israeli and US militaries, something Arab countries have never done even 1% of what they have done. The US surrounded Yemen and ended up being expelled from there... the idea that these people are weak is part of Zionism's hybrid warfare campaign. If they were weak, they would have been defeated decades ago.
If 20 years ago the US couldn't wage open war against Iran (which didn't have 20/25% of the military capacity it has today, nor the allies it has today), it's not in the present day that they will wage open war; there won't be any open war. There will be hybrid warfare, attempts at color revolutions, etc.
Mehdipersian
Trusted Member
So how about we drown the rest with us?
Immortals
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What? This flip flop never occurred. Not sure what you are referring. Seems to be reading comprehension issues on your end. The whole debate started with you pushing back on my notion that Iran shouldnt have signed JCPoA with a Democrat president and did it with Republican. You can re-read prior posts and let me know where this flip flop occurred.
Quite a number of people did and still do support the decisions Iran made. And the ones that no longer do were quite pro IRI until they could no longer deny the direction we are heading. This place was one big echo chamber. And the ‘let the sink in’ reference was not me lecturing you, but about Putin calling Iranian leadership crazy in 2003 long before the Ahmadinejad tenure, it happened during the “peaceful” Khatami era. No global power was taking Iran seriously because they felt this leadership was nothing more than religious fanatics, no different than ISIS or Taliban in their eyes.
You also proclaimed within the last fews that iran was entering into a strategic alliance with Russia. That this time is different. You claimed that Iran was going to reverse AL-31 (either via ToT or Iranian progress) due to some chart that an Iranian official threw up in another bogus press conference. Remember that? Remember the debate we had Dr. Menson? Remember I told you there is zero chance Russia would hand over ToT for Russian jet engines. You were convinced there was this period of strategic alliance with Russia. That alliance instead went to North Korea, not iran.
Putin never thought of Khamenai as anything more than a religious fanatic. And he used him for the Ukraine war then tossed him aside. The reformists pushing Western integration didn’t help either.
We have all had bad takes myself included. But let’s not act like you are infallible either. In fact you act in many ways just like me when you speak.
No. But you cannot say there “thousands of missiles” aimed at PGCC when there isn’t. With such logic, US and Israel have 25,000 cruise missiles “aimed” and thousands of nukes “aimed” at Iran. Theoretical fire power doesn’t mean much as the 12 day war clearly demonstrated. You can have 10,000 missiles but if you struggle to fire even 100 a day, the firepower is muted.
So the countless press reporters they paraded around showing of the silos and missile cities and all the military officials (not just Salami) warning of quick response was just propaganda? Khamenai’s speeches were propaganda? Solemani’s speeches were propaganda?
Many on here thought that Israeli bases would be eliminated with a couple hundred missiles. (Maybe you did at one point too, who knows don’t feel like pulling your chat history to prove a random point).
Now suddenly we should disregard everything Iranian officials said as propaganda? So then everyone saying Israeli just barks and never attacks Iran should be shutting up on here instead of continuing to run their mouths like fanboys.
That’s not what I said at all. Again your reading comprehension is all over the place. It doesn’t matter if the artillery are destroyed after a week. The damage to Seoul in first 24 hours will be extensive and catastrophic. It’s a valid deterrent that many observers know about. North Korea has nothing to lose vs South Korea that has its entire built up industrial base.
The entire point was you saying that North Korea doesn’t have the courage to use Nuclear weapons if its attacked . And I said that isn’t the first lever they will pull. They can do considerable damage with conventional weapons.
Same could be said about Iran right now if U.S./Israel attack. Iran’s airforce isn’t going to put up a fight against F-22, F-35, or F-18 and it’s supposed “modern layered AD” was exposed by Israeli drones and couldn’t put up a fight against an opponent who had to fly from 1200 miles everyday (unless you really think everything was hit by air launched BMs).
You do realize Russia and NK have a strategic defense agreement? That includes a mutual defense clause?
How do you think NK even took this massive leap in missile development with its puny GDP? Russia has transferred engines and direct know how. Anyone thinking that some how NK went from this troubled liquid Tapeodong program to a massive multi array of ICBMs/IRBMs in less than a decade with its broke ass GDP (as you allude to) is delusional. It comes directly from Russian and Chinese assistance and tech transfers.
China entered in the Korean War directly and fought the US. In the 60’s. They will not let North Korea become a U.S. satellite banana country. That’s a red line.
So yes both China and Russia will defend North Korea if they are attacked by West or SK first. Unlike Iran which neither party seems in any urgency to even help.
You should be telling most of this thread this information. Not me who has already said similar things.
When you boil it down, this entire 25 years was just fake propaganda by this government. They never planned to have an all out war for exactly what you just said now. It was all just a mirage that we all got bamboozled by. This country was the ultimate paper tiger when everyone claimed it was Israel and U.S. who were.
Look at how many planes Saddam shot down in Persian Gulf I & II. Iran couldn’t shoot down a SINGLE Israeli plane despite have air defense systems that Saddam could only dream of. The incompetence is outstanding. The missile force while a bright spot couldn’t keep fire cadence for more than a few days and by day 12 was firing 15-20 missiles a day. Yet delusional people on here say “Israel” asked for the ceasefire. Yeah because they accomplished what the were realistically going to accomplish outside of regime change.
Bulk of what? What are you talking about? Venezuela oil exports was a meager 850,000 mbpd of which most of that goes to China.
So Russia “owning” what oil? The 100,000 barrels a day left over? Is this a joke?
By the way that number doesn’t count the U.S. owned wells (see below). Do you really think Russia has the deep pockets to spend 200B+ required to get Venezuela’s fields developed all for another extra 500,000MBPD? Venezuela is a long way away from exporting oil in big numbers without the U.S. oil companies deep pockets.
Again you have no idea what you are talking about.
Oil producer Chevron is set to boost exports of Venezuelan crude to the U.S. to some 300,000 barrels per day (bpd) in March, from 100,000 bpd in December and some 230,000 bpd so far this month,
Four Chevron-PDVSA oil joint ventures are producing between 240,000 and 250,000 bpd of heavy crude grades that are popular among U.S. Gulf Coast refiners. Output cuts applied by PDVSA to some oilfields since early January did not hit Chevron's projects, separate sources said.
Chevron, which for months was the only company authorized by Washington to export Venezuelan oil to the U.S. as part of an exemption to sanctions, is now competing with trading houses Vitol and Trafigura, which earlier this month were granted U.S. licenses to export Venezuelan oil and fuel to the U.S. and other destinations under a flagship $2 billion supply deal.
Chevron to Boost Exports of Venezuelan Oil to US in March
Oil producer Chevron is set to boost exports of Venezuelan crude to the U.S. to some 300,000 barrels per day (bpd) in March, from 100…
www.marinelink.com
You also claimed in this thread that Iran is sending 5.5MBPD of oil to China when the number by most reputable sources is around 1.5MBPD. I am not sure where you get your energy data from but it’s grossly inaccurate.
Maduro was begging American oil companies to come back because they have historically been the one with a relationship with PDVSA going back decades. How do you think Venezuela got F-16s back in the day? Venezuela was reliant on U.S. oil companies. When they left, it became hyper inflationary conditions and Russia and Iran had to send engineers and materials and condensate to keep what little was working to continue to run.
You grossly and negligently overestimate Russia and China “owning” Venzenula oil.
This is baseless propaganda, sorry.
They already get oil from Venezuela (as seen above) from their longstanding joint ventures. Many oil companies left in trumps first term due to sanctions but Chevron was allowed to stay.
Maduro wouldn’t have been begging US oil companies to come back if “Russia owned the oil”.
As an Iranian you should know how useless Chinese and Russian companies are at honoring oil/gas development deals in foreign countries. Only the west actually gets shit done. The East and Russia use it as bargaining chips.
Come on now. Most of era was under Bush administration. How old were you then? Looking back with rose glasses doesn’t do that era justice.
- Rouhani (the FM) offered to give up all enrichment if the west would allow Iran to keep 100 IR-1’s for research so scientists could learn and have a token pilot program. Bush and neocons said no.
- There was the infamous “grand bargain” deal that was sent to the U.S. thru diplomatic channels where Iran offered full cooperation with the West and end for support of terror groups in exchange for removal of embargo and detente. US never responded because the thought it wasn’t real or genuine (allegedly).
Not to mention most of Iran’s bonehead moves are as 1980-2000 when it did terror attacks around the world as that was the few means it had to retaliate against a superior Western war machine and the Zionists. That wasn’t going to be magically forgiven because Iran got scared at how fast Afghanistan and Iraq fell. But I digress.
It’s quite clear that you too realize that Iran is at a dead end. There is no way for this current leadership to be reintegrated. There is too much baggage and resentment on both sides. So US will continue waiting till Iran has its Soviet Union implosion moment and then negotiate with whatever comes out after. Or it may well attack, but as you said it’s highly unlikely Iran will truly go all out because of ‘what next?’
mangekyo
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There’s still a chance an IRGC coup will might save us. But IRGC would need to ditch the anti-Israeli stance. I’d say there’s a 50% chance it will work.
shapurzolaktaf
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Any attack from the US will be considered ‘start of war’: Senior Iranian official
A limited strike is an “illusion” while any military action from the US will be considered the start of war, says Ali Shamkhani, a senior adviser to Iran’s supreme leader.“Any military action, from America from any origin and at any level, will be considered the start of war, and its response will be immediate, all out, and unprecedented, targeting the heart of Tel Aviv and all supporters of the aggressor,” Khan wrote on X in Farsi before writing the same message in Hebrew.
shapurzolaktaf
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China warns against ‘military adventurism’ in Iran
China has cautioned against “military adventurism” in the Middle East as Trump ramps up military threats on Iran.“The use of force cannot solve problems. Any military adventurism will only push the region into an abyss of unpredictability,” Fu Cong, the Chinese ambassador to the United Nations, told the Security Council.
Meengla
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Pray, tell me, ANY American President in past went to this extent to support Israel?!! Remember in the Gaza War thread, I had multiple times predicted that Trump will be even worse than Biden was and certainly much worse than a President Harris would be. Heck, he is even worse than if/when J.D. Vance becomes the POTUS.
Trump in his first term rewarded Netanyahu without even getting anything in return! That was a clear indication to what extent he would go to support Netanyahu. And that's the reason Israelis and the Israel-firsters in America were cheering for Trump in 2024.
I am seldom wrong on these things! My predictions on Trump on the Middle East have come true!
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Mr. Trump gave no specifics about the deal he was demanding, saying only that a “massive Armada” was heading toward Iran and that the country should make a deal. But U.S. and European officials say that in talks, they have put three demands in front of the Iranians: a permanent end to all enrichment of uranium, limits on the range and number of their ballistic missiles, and an end to all support for proxy groups in the Middle East, including Hamas, Hezbollah and the Houthis operating in Yemen.
Notably absent from those demands — and from Mr. Trump’s post on Truth Social on Wednesday morning — was any reference to protecting the protesters who took to the streets in Iran in December,
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Trump in his first term rewarded Netanyahu without even getting anything in return! That was a clear indication to what extent he would go to support Netanyahu. And that's the reason Israelis and the Israel-firsters in America were cheering for Trump in 2024.
I am seldom wrong on these things! My predictions on Trump on the Middle East have come true!
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Mr. Trump gave no specifics about the deal he was demanding, saying only that a “massive Armada” was heading toward Iran and that the country should make a deal. But U.S. and European officials say that in talks, they have put three demands in front of the Iranians: a permanent end to all enrichment of uranium, limits on the range and number of their ballistic missiles, and an end to all support for proxy groups in the Middle East, including Hamas, Hezbollah and the Houthis operating in Yemen.
Notably absent from those demands — and from Mr. Trump’s post on Truth Social on Wednesday morning — was any reference to protecting the protesters who took to the streets in Iran in December,
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All EU states now support listing the IRGC as a terrorist organisation
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US demands are non starters --> war is inevitable
remember these words from the IRGC-ASF's new commander from July 2025
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speculation on method of attack
Shamkhani says Iran will strike Tel Aviv if the US attacks. guaranteeing that Israel and the US will both be involved, as before
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