Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[VCheng]

I doubt that. It's more likely the hyper nationalism that both American / Iranian cultures seem to possess. But let's move on.

I just hope direct conflict is avoided. Once emotions set in, reason departs, and that is never good for anyone.

Iran is a powerful and proud country that wants to respected for its positions. Whether they succeed in their efforts remains to be seen.

 

[mangekyo]

I doubt that. It's more likely the hyper nationalism that both American / Iranian cultures seem to possess. But let's move on.

I honestly don’t think so yeah he supports his troops doesn’t mean he has to agree with every dumb decision by the clown that is in office honestly he isn’t a bad guy he doesn’t want to see war as much as anyone else but he supports who he supports at least he’s upfront about it

For someone to come here and say «you don’t know what we’re capable of» after all the atrocities Americans have committed. Thats just demonic. But agreed, let’s move on.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

I honestly don’t think so yeah he supports his troops doesn’t mean he has to agree with every dumb decision by the clown that is in office honestly he isn’t a bad guy he doesn’t want to see war as much as anyone else but he supports who he supports at least he’s upfront about it

Well, he is a MAGA supporter like Tucker Carlson, and don't want the US to waste so much energy for the sake of Israel.

The first priority for the MAGA supporters is to contain China's rise, and everything else is secondary.

Trump initially didn't want to focus on Iran either, but he is now risking to get bloodbathed in the incoming midterm, and now he needs to plead for Israel's help to let him to win the midterm.

 

[Persian Gulf]

if Iran wants to do a pre-emptive strike, it should focus on the US naval assets that would be used against Iran, since they are movable while military bases are not and can always be targeted later

there are five destroyers in the Persian Gulf, as of one week ago all five of them were in the Salman Port in Bahrain, 200km from Iran. all of these can be easily hit and taken out of commission for months using:

- UUVs / autonomous drone ships
- special ops divers with limpet mines
- torpedos launched from 20+ Ghadir submarines with 10-15km range
- air-launched anti-ship cruise missiles launched by F-4 jets from 200km stand off range
- land based anti-ship cruise missiles (Qader with 300km range)
- land based anti-ship ballistic missiles (Khalije Fars, Hormoz-1/2 with 300km range, Zoheir with 500km range)
- drone swarms

or any combination of the above

the Lincoln CSG and its three destroyers are adjacent to Oman, in the north Arabian Sea, just under 700km from Iran.

these are much harder to hit. but (1) Fateh and (3) Kilo class submarines can hunt the three destroyers, supported by saturation Zolfaqar Basir ASBM (700km range) and Abu Mahdi ASCM (1000km) launches.

The IRGC-N has 4 Shahid Soleimani class corvettes which have very long range and can each carry 12x ASCMs (6x 200-300km range and 6x 750km range) = 48 ASCMs

IRGC-N also has 3 converted converter ships (Shahid Bagheri, Shahid Roudaki, and Shahid Mahdavi), which can each carry 12x ASCMs and 2x ASBMs (Zolfaqar Basir with 700km range)

Plus Shahed-136B has 4000km range

only need 1-2 good hits on these destroyers to take them out of commission for months, no need to sink them. once they are hit, the Abraham Lincoln carrier will be 'naked' and likely removed from the theatre. and these destroyers each have 96 VLS cells, with a large number of those used for offensive purposes, and with limited number of inventory. eventually, their inventory will be depleted and they will be defenceless or forced to evacuate the theatre to reload.

such a massive pre-emptive surprise attack would virtually remove almost all of the US' naval assets from the arena, severely disrupting the US' attack plans

and in the second phase all USAF assets in surrounding fixed military bases in Qatar (Al Udeid, to render it inoperable - it was already evacuated very easily by the US during the 12 day war) and Bahrain (Fifth Fleet HQ), and Jordan (US is amassing fighter jets here) can be severely damaged or rendered unusable due to constant threat of ASBM and drone attacks

then the US would only be able to use Tomahawk launches in relatively small numbers from much further out and low number of B-2 / F-35 sorties over Iran (risky)

 

[Persian Gulf]

You've not seen what we're capable of.

let's stay on topic and avoid provocations please (this goes to everyone)

 

[Shags101]

Well, he is a MAGA supporter like Tucker Carlson, and don't want the US to waste so much energy for the sake of Israel.

The first priority for the MAGA supporters is to contain China's rise, and everything else is secondary.

Trump initially didn't want to focus on Iran either, but he is now risking to get bloodbathed in the incoming midterm, and now he needs to plead for Israel's help to let him to win the midterm.

Yeah I know he’s on the right but still like the dude mostly because he finds me funny at times and he has mostly balanced views on matters when it comes to what’s going on I’d rather read his posts than highly exaggerated views of people who aren’t educated in real life of what war is so he may lean to the right doesn’t make his views any less right or wrong but let’s move on or do I need to bring @Solomon2 into the mix of this and show you an actual troll

 

[925boy]

it is necessary to restore deterrence, since Iranian performance in the last round clearly was not good enough to establish prolonged deterrence

If Iranian performance in the last war was not good, then why foes US need its entire military for a follow up strike on Iran while israel stays out due to ballistic trauma it received in the last war? Obviously US knows it did not enough damage to Iran in the last war.

 

[Persian Gulf]

If Iranian performance in the last war was not good, then why foes US need its entire military for a follow up strike on Iran while israel stays out due to ballistic trauma it received in the last war? Obviously US knows it did not enough damage to Iran in the last war.

you do not have a good understanding of the size of the US military if you think sending 1 out of 11 carrier strike groups to the Arabian Sea is their "entire military"

 

[925boy]

What does Russia have in Iran that is crucial to Russia?

INSTC route,access to warm and strategic waters(for oil swap) and ammunition supplies for its war against Ukraine?

 

[Persian Gulf]

Well, he is a MAGA supporter like Tucker Carlson, and don't want the US to waste so much energy for the sake of Israel.

The first priority for the MAGA supporters is to contain China's rise, and everything else is secondary.

Trump initially didn't want to focus on Iran either, but he is now risking to get bloodbathed in the incoming midterm, and now he needs to plead for Israel's help to let him to win the midterm.

I wonder what happens to Trump's poll ratings when US soldiers start getting killed (so far avoided by Iran, intentionally, but if there is an existential threat, such moderation is not going to continue) and gas prices go through the roof when Iran retaliates against the US' threatened blockade of Iranian ships in the Persian Gulf?

and what happens when this continues for weeks and months on end and the US loses destroyers? there are five destroyers in the Persian Gulf, these are effectively sitting ducks, even if you think Iran's can't reach the CSG 700km away.

Israel must have some very damaging stuff on Trump, because this is almost suicide by him and doesn't align with his historical positions at all.

 

[925boy]

you do not have a good understanding of the size of the US military if you think sending 1 out of 11 carrier strike groups to the Arabian Sea is their "entire military"

Well if thats all US is sending to the Arabain gulf, then I will go ahead and say that 1 AC is JUST NOT ENOUGH to subdue Iran,especially from the ground and Iran fighting US like its existence depends on it.

 

[Persian Gulf]

I wonder if we will see anti-ship version of Qasem-Basir ballistic missile (or Zolfaqar Basir), guided to general direction of US CSG target by forward drones

maybe the long awaited Shahed-147 can finally make its debut

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[Persian Gulf]

Well if thats all US is sending to the Arabain gulf, then I will go ahead and say that 1 AC is JUST NOT ENOUGH to subdue Iran,especially from the ground and Iran fighting US like its existence depends on it.

Persian Gulf *

 

[Persian Gulf]

Shahed-147 HALE drone with SAR payload for surveillance



Zolfaqar Basir ASBM (700km range ASBM with EO seeker)



Qasem Basir MRBM (1200km range variant of Haj Qasem MRBM with EO seeker, suitable for use in anti ship role)

surveillance drones can send missiles to general location of the target ship at 700-1000km range, and the EO seeker targets the ship during terminal stage

 

[Watandar]

Weren't there American ships in July of last year as well in the Persian Gulf ? Did they ever launch anything ?

Trump is now saying Iran cannot have "NUCLEAR". That's the old script from July where the Navy was a distraction while the B2's were used. I find it curious the carrier group is off Oman. All these movements of aircrafts like C130J or whatever we have been observing could be part of the subterfuge. It's possible Trump uses B2 to attack some more nuke related sites and calls it a day.

P.S. I know I come up with a new scenarios every single day lol.