Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[hasn2009]

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if Iran wants to do a pre-emptive strike, it should focus on the US naval assets that would be used against Iran, since they are movable while military bases are not and can always be targeted later

there are five destroyers in the Persian Gulf, as of one week ago all five of them were in the Salman Port in Bahrain, 200km from Iran. all of these can be easily hit and taken out of commission for months using:

- UUVs / autonomous drone ships
- special ops divers with limpet mines
- torpedos launched from 20+ Ghadir submarines with 10-15km range
- air-launched anti-ship cruise missiles launched by F-4 jets from 200km stand off range
- land based anti-ship cruise missiles (Qader with 300km range)
- land based anti-ship ballistic missiles (Khalije Fars, Hormoz-1/2 with 300km range, Zoheir with 500km range)
- drone swarms

or any combination of the above

the Lincoln CSG and its three destroyers are adjacent to Oman, in the north Arabian Sea, just under 700km from Iran.

these are much harder to hit. but (1) Fateh and (3) Kilo class submarines can hunt the three destroyers, supported by saturation Zolfaqar Basir ASBM (700km range) and Abu Mahdi ASCM (1000km) launches.

The IRGC-N has 4 Shahid Soleimani class corvettes which have very long range and can each carry 12x ASCMs (6x 200-300km range and 6x 750km range) = 48 ASCMs

IRGC-N also has 3 converted converter ships (Shahid Bagheri, Shahid Roudaki, and Shahid Mahdavi), which can each carry 12x ASCMs and 2x ASBMs (Zolfaqar Basir with 700km range)

Plus Shahed-136B has 4000km range

only need 1-2 good hits on these destroyers to take them out of commission for months, no need to sink them. once they are hit, the Abraham Lincoln carrier will be 'naked' and likely removed from the theatre. and these destroyers each have 96 VLS cells, with a large number of those used for offensive purposes, and with limited number of inventory. eventually, their inventory will be depleted and they will be defenceless or forced to evacuate the theatre to reload.

such a massive pre-emptive surprise attack would virtually remove almost all of the US' naval assets from the arena, severely disrupting the US' attack plans

and in the second phase all USAF assets in surrounding fixed military bases in Qatar (Al Udeid, to render it inoperable - it was already evacuated very easily by the US during the 12 day war) and Bahrain (Fifth Fleet HQ), and Jordan (US is amassing fighter jets here) can be severely damaged or rendered unusable due to constant threat of ASBM and drone attacks

then the US would only be able to use Tomahawk launches in relatively small numbers from much further out and low number of B-2 / F-35 sorties over Iran (risky)

What do you think how long will it take the US to sink all of Iran Navy's surface fleet?

 

[mulj]

China is willing to help, but China is coward for not directly fighting the US to protect Iran.

Yet some Iranians here think what we were responsible for intoxicating Iran with the Covid-19.

However, even most Chinese are questioning about the worthiness of helping Iran, the Chinese government is still willing to make the commitm

The Chinese government won't let the sentiment from the populace to cloud their judgment.

They will send assistance to Iran, despite it doesn't get recognized by most PDF members.

However, they won't directly fight the US on behalf of Iran.

It is all what you are asked basically just scope and structure of help is debatable if it is substantial for giving Iran fighting chance.

 

[Hayabusa]

The Soviet Union is dead over 3 decades, and Russia can't even win the Ukrainian war without China.

Only China can provide the full supply chain for Russia to assemble million of drones and unlimited supply of legacy chips.

You guys can keep whining how China is not directly fighting the US on your behalf, but even the MAGA propagandists have confirmed that China is mobilizing a lot of cargo planes to assist Iran for the incoming invasion.

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Yep, just keep bashing China, meanwhile China has to bypass all sanctions to come for rescue, just like Huawei has done last time.

This YouTube guy is full of crap. Calls Iran the steroid guy. USA is the one going around picking fights here as far as the world recalls. Just another propagandist.

 

[OldTwilight]

don't take china and Russia seriously...

 

[Liquidator]

don't take china and Russia seriously...

What do you want them to do?

Start destroying US naval vessels with their hypersonics?

Please tell us.

 

[hussain0216]

I wonder what happens to Trump's poll ratings when US soldiers start getting killed (so far avoided by Iran, intentionally, but if there is an existential threat, such moderation is not going to continue) and gas prices go through the roof when Iran retaliates against the US' threatened blockade of Iranian ships in the Persian Gulf?

and what happens when this continues for weeks and months on end and the US loses destroyers? there are five destroyers in the Persian Gulf, these are effectively sitting ducks, even if you think Iran's can't reach the CSG 700km away.

Israel must have some very damaging stuff on Trump, because this is almost suicide by him and doesn't align with his historical positions at all.

I agree with what you are saying

The only way this makes sense, is if you understand that this is a 45 year Israeli plot to drag the U.S into war with Iran

And for 45 years, the U.S has somewhat resisted knowing the fallout and risks

But Trump is a idiot and easily manipulated

Israel is completely fine with U.S soldiers dying or even ships being hit, because it can use that to whip up anger and fan the flames of war,
Trump is a moron we already established that, so think of the Israeli devil in his ear telling him, he doesn't want to look weak and has to go harder


Even the U.S attack against Yemen was limited because the U.S under Trump doesn't want to waste money on these long conflicts


What they want is a quick attack on Iranian nuclear and missile production facilities to push Iran back

Otherwise in a couple of years iran is fully loaded for another massive attack on Israel


So if Iran can make 200 missiles per month NOW, they want to bring that down to 0-20

Everything else is just bluster, if it happens it happens, if it doesn't it doesn't


Iran's best defence is offence

If Iran can make this attack bloody and painful then it protects itself for a number of years, if the reaction is weak then it will just encourage the U.s and Israel

 

[KingQamaR]

Iran should make a Preemptive Strike now. Now is the time when Iran still hasn't lost most of their offensive capabilities yet. Drones, cruise missiles, ballistic missiles, send those Genociders deep into the ocean and Natives, Palestinians and all others who died from US Bombs finally get Justice. Nothing makes the world happier than seeing a US Carrier burn and sink and see the aggressor finally gets a bloody nose.

Make America Go Away indeed (MAGA).

First rule of war is to never start a war you cannot win. The second rule is to never underestimate your enemy and should be considered as part of the 1st rule.

 

[Liquidator]

First rule of war is to never start a war you cannot win. The second rule is to never underestimate your enemy and should be considered as part of the 1st rule.

They are not starting it.

It is foolishness to allow a buildup.....If Iran doesn't preemptively strike it will loose everything. Chances of winning are 0.

If it preemptively strikes it may still loose everything but at least there is a chance of it doing serious damage. Chances of winning are better than 0.

Whatever happens, this is it. This is the War they've been preparing for.

 

[Falcon26]

Iran has been critically wounded and the Americans are now just waiting for the right moment to administer the final blow.

Unfortunately, the Iranian regime has invested heavily into creating regional turmoil through its Shia proxy groups rather than improving their own survivability and deterrence capabilities. Not to mention the domestic polarization and divisions.

Apart from the above follies, the other major blunder the Iranians made was to take the Russians for an ally. Russia has consistently refused to supply the Iranians with modern fighter jets by using the threat of American sanctions…but Russia is today the most sanctioned country in the world, which makes their claims preposterous.

 

[Bahrami]

Iran has been critically wounded and the Americans are now just waiting for the right moment to administer the final blow.

Unfortunately, the Iranian regime has invested heavily into creating regional turmoil through its Shia proxy groups rather than improving their own survivability and deterrence capabilities. Not to mention the domestic polarization and divisions.

I think Iran has not ben wounded, but woke up last summer.
USA never fought an enemy who can actually shoot back and they will not start today.

 

[KingQamaR]

They are not starting it.

It is foolishness to allow a buildup.....If Iran doesn't preemptively strike it will loose everything. Chances of winning are 0.

If it preemptively strikes it may still loose everything but at least there is a chance of it doing serious damage. Chances of winning are better than 0.

Whatever happens, this is it. This is the War they've been preparing for.

Scary, people don’t have idea how US Navy battle group operates.The entire region is covered by P-8a Poseidon sensors and MQ-4 anti missiles and submarines during the past 2 weeks so basically all the Gulf is now under US surveillance near impossible for Iran to do pearl harbour.

 

[Liquidator]

Scary, people don’t have idea how US Navy battle group operates.The entire region is covered by P-8a Poseidon sensors and MQ-4 anti missiles and submarines during the past 2 weeks so basically all the Gulf is now under US surveillance near impossible for Iran to do pearl harbour.

The Iranians have toys too.

Their missiles surprised us all.

Perhaps their naval assets will surprise too....

 

[KingQamaR]

I think Iran has not ben wounded, but woke up last summer.
USA never fought an enemy who can actually shoot back and they will not start today.

I don’t think you have watched very many US military abilities Iran sorry they have absolutely possibly zero chance of defending themselves against the US war machine. I’m so sorry , I wish it wasn’t but it is.

 

[Bahrami]

I don’t think you have watched very many US military abilities Iran sorry they have absolutely possibly zero chance of defending themselves against the US war machine. I’m so sorry , I wish it wasn’t but it is.

I think you missed the ceasefire request 6 months ago dear friend

 

[shapurzolaktaf]

Iran has been critically wounded and the Americans are now just waiting for the right moment to administer the final blow.

Unfortunately, the Iranian regime has invested heavily into creating regional turmoil through its Shia proxy groups rather than improving their own survivability and deterrence capabilities. Not to mention the domestic polarization and divisions.

Apart from the above follies, the other major blunder the Iranians made was to take the Russians for an ally. Russia has consistently refused to supply the Iranians with modern fighter jets by using the threat of American sanctions…but Russia is today the most sanctioned country in the world, which makes their claims preposterous.

US regime is weaker than you think. Iran is able to defeat them if it fights Hard and smart, using the following elements to its benefit:
- energy rich persian gulf region
- geography and population of Iran
- religious and nationalist soft power
- war sensitive economies and infrastructure of Persian Gulf Monarchs.
- Enemies logistical problems and shortage of (air defence) missiles.
- lessons from 12 days war and AnsarAllah-US war (which showed US Navy and Air force could not defeat AnsarAllah and made US sign an agreement which excluded Israel from safety guarantees)
- Regional allies
- Assymetrical warfare

A bloody war is needed to give the revolution new experience, new martyrs and new energy. Shia religion is a religion of resistance against oppression. AnsarAllah Yemen, Iraqi resistance are ready, Iran-friendly former prime Minister Al-Maliki could soon be prime Minister again.