Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Liquidator]

don't take china and Russia seriously...

What do you want them to do?

Start destroying US naval vessels with their hypersonics?

Please tell us.

 

[hussain0216]

I wonder what happens to Trump's poll ratings when US soldiers start getting killed (so far avoided by Iran, intentionally, but if there is an existential threat, such moderation is not going to continue) and gas prices go through the roof when Iran retaliates against the US' threatened blockade of Iranian ships in the Persian Gulf?

and what happens when this continues for weeks and months on end and the US loses destroyers? there are five destroyers in the Persian Gulf, these are effectively sitting ducks, even if you think Iran's can't reach the CSG 700km away.

Israel must have some very damaging stuff on Trump, because this is almost suicide by him and doesn't align with his historical positions at all.

I agree with what you are saying

The only way this makes sense, is if you understand that this is a 45 year Israeli plot to drag the U.S into war with Iran

And for 45 years, the U.S has somewhat resisted knowing the fallout and risks

But Trump is a idiot and easily manipulated

Israel is completely fine with U.S soldiers dying or even ships being hit, because it can use that to whip up anger and fan the flames of war,
Trump is a moron we already established that, so think of the Israeli devil in his ear telling him, he doesn't want to look weak and has to go harder


Even the U.S attack against Yemen was limited because the U.S under Trump doesn't want to waste money on these long conflicts


What they want is a quick attack on Iranian nuclear and missile production facilities to push Iran back

Otherwise in a couple of years iran is fully loaded for another massive attack on Israel


So if Iran can make 200 missiles per month NOW, they want to bring that down to 0-20

Everything else is just bluster, if it happens it happens, if it doesn't it doesn't


Iran's best defence is offence

If Iran can make this attack bloody and painful then it protects itself for a number of years, if the reaction is weak then it will just encourage the U.s and Israel

 

[KingQamaR]

Iran should make a Preemptive Strike now. Now is the time when Iran still hasn't lost most of their offensive capabilities yet. Drones, cruise missiles, ballistic missiles, send those Genociders deep into the ocean and Natives, Palestinians and all others who died from US Bombs finally get Justice. Nothing makes the world happier than seeing a US Carrier burn and sink and see the aggressor finally gets a bloody nose.

Make America Go Away indeed (MAGA).

First rule of war is to never start a war you cannot win. The second rule is to never underestimate your enemy and should be considered as part of the 1st rule.

 

[Liquidator]

First rule of war is to never start a war you cannot win. The second rule is to never underestimate your enemy and should be considered as part of the 1st rule.

They are not starting it.

It is foolishness to allow a buildup.....If Iran doesn't preemptively strike it will loose everything. Chances of winning are 0.

If it preemptively strikes it may still loose everything but at least there is a chance of it doing serious damage. Chances of winning are better than 0.

Whatever happens, this is it. This is the War they've been preparing for.

 

[Falcon26]

Iran has been critically wounded and the Americans are now just waiting for the right moment to administer the final blow.

Unfortunately, the Iranian regime has invested heavily into creating regional turmoil through its Shia proxy groups rather than improving their own survivability and deterrence capabilities. Not to mention the domestic polarization and divisions.

Apart from the above follies, the other major blunder the Iranians made was to take the Russians for an ally. Russia has consistently refused to supply the Iranians with modern fighter jets by using the threat of American sanctions…but Russia is today the most sanctioned country in the world, which makes their claims preposterous.

 

[Bahrami]

Iran has been critically wounded and the Americans are now just waiting for the right moment to administer the final blow.

Unfortunately, the Iranian regime has invested heavily into creating regional turmoil through its Shia proxy groups rather than improving their own survivability and deterrence capabilities. Not to mention the domestic polarization and divisions.

I think Iran has not ben wounded, but woke up last summer.
USA never fought an enemy who can actually shoot back and they will not start today.

 

[KingQamaR]

They are not starting it.

It is foolishness to allow a buildup.....If Iran doesn't preemptively strike it will loose everything. Chances of winning are 0.

If it preemptively strikes it may still loose everything but at least there is a chance of it doing serious damage. Chances of winning are better than 0.

Whatever happens, this is it. This is the War they've been preparing for.

Scary, people don’t have idea how US Navy battle group operates.The entire region is covered by P-8a Poseidon sensors and MQ-4 anti missiles and submarines during the past 2 weeks so basically all the Gulf is now under US surveillance near impossible for Iran to do pearl harbour.

 

[Liquidator]

Scary, people don’t have idea how US Navy battle group operates.The entire region is covered by P-8a Poseidon sensors and MQ-4 anti missiles and submarines during the past 2 weeks so basically all the Gulf is now under US surveillance near impossible for Iran to do pearl harbour.

The Iranians have toys too.

Their missiles surprised us all.

Perhaps their naval assets will surprise too....

 

[KingQamaR]

I think Iran has not ben wounded, but woke up last summer.
USA never fought an enemy who can actually shoot back and they will not start today.

I don’t think you have watched very many US military abilities Iran sorry they have absolutely possibly zero chance of defending themselves against the US war machine. I’m so sorry , I wish it wasn’t but it is.

 

[Bahrami]

I don’t think you have watched very many US military abilities Iran sorry they have absolutely possibly zero chance of defending themselves against the US war machine. I’m so sorry , I wish it wasn’t but it is.

I think you missed the ceasefire request 6 months ago dear friend

 

[shapurzolaktaf]

Iran has been critically wounded and the Americans are now just waiting for the right moment to administer the final blow.

Unfortunately, the Iranian regime has invested heavily into creating regional turmoil through its Shia proxy groups rather than improving their own survivability and deterrence capabilities. Not to mention the domestic polarization and divisions.

Apart from the above follies, the other major blunder the Iranians made was to take the Russians for an ally. Russia has consistently refused to supply the Iranians with modern fighter jets by using the threat of American sanctions…but Russia is today the most sanctioned country in the world, which makes their claims preposterous.

US regime is weaker than you think. Iran is able to defeat them if it fights Hard and smart, using the following elements to its benefit:
- energy rich persian gulf region
- geography and population of Iran
- religious and nationalist soft power
- war sensitive economies and infrastructure of Persian Gulf Monarchs.
- Enemies logistical problems and shortage of (air defence) missiles.
- lessons from 12 days war and AnsarAllah-US war (which showed US Navy and Air force could not defeat AnsarAllah and made US sign an agreement which excluded Israel from safety guarantees)
- Regional allies
- Assymetrical warfare

A bloody war is needed to give the revolution new experience, new martyrs and new energy. Shia religion is a religion of resistance against oppression. AnsarAllah Yemen, Iraqi resistance are ready, Iran-friendly former prime Minister Al-Maliki could soon be prime Minister again.

 

[Falcon26]

I think Iran has not ben wounded, but woke up last summer.
USA never fought an enemy who can actually shoot back and they will not start today.

What weapons Iran could have used last summer that it didn’t? What other assets?

Don’t you think it’s missile production infrastructure has been mostly destroyed?

 

[KingQamaR]

The Iranians have toys too.

Their missiles surprised us all.

Perhaps their naval assets will surprise too....

This is why they have so much AIRPOWER and sea power. Americans have numbers to counter any Iranian threat.

 

[hussain0216]

Scary, people don’t have idea how US Navy battle group operates.The entire region is covered by P-8a Poseidon sensors and MQ-4 anti missiles and submarines during the past 2 weeks so basically all the Gulf is now under US surveillance near impossible for Iran to do pearl harbour.

It's not the end of the world

As long as iran can signal the preparation of thousands of missiles being made ready for strikes, then the U.S knows their are risks and consequences to this attack

Iran has had plenty of warning and preparation time

Even though it hasn't rebuilt it's stocks to pre 12 day war levels, it should have large stocks of short range missiles to wipe out every U.S base within range


The risk to iran is, the Israeli/U.S plan could be along the lines of being prepared to absorb any Iranian attack, and allowing Iran to spend/waste/utilise it's missiles whilst hitting Iranian missile production sites

This then leaves Iran open for future attacks, when Iran will have less and less to defend itself

It's vital iran is able to safeguard it's production facilities or at least has alternatives methods of production

 

[Bahrami]

What weapons Iran could have used last summer that it didn’t? What other assets?

Don’t you think it’s missile production infrastructure has been mostly destroyed?

The entire "war" was Israel + USA vs. IRGC Missile Forces.

No Anti Ship weapons, no Cruise Missiles, no subsmarines, no ships (with missiles), no major UAV deployment, no proxi activation, pretty small balistic missile salvos fired. Why? Because they were waiting for the big bully to enter.

When USA entered, there was already a "strike deal" in place, thus the ful levacuation of the Qatar base 3 days prior to the strike.

Like seriously, there are 10 more level of "nasty" to achieve here which I hope will not be the case for eighter side.