PAF J-10CE News, Updates and Discussion

[hasssanali8998]

got a new portfolio now.

do u know what he is now

 

[AeronautIR]

do u know what he is now

Yes, Commander AFSC.

 

[Yasser76]

I agree... 100% J-10 were available and the normal rate is >90% for F-16 and J-10 fleet.

90% for the F-16 fleet is incredibly good! How did we get that? USAF hovers at around 70% for their F-16s, but they are suffering from a shortage of ground staff as recruiting is tough and many keep being transferred or retained for F-35s.

My guess is we just have so much trained manpower to throw at the problem?

 

[Yasser76]

He was DCAS(O) then, got a new portfolio now.

Which makes his presentation even the more impressive, he was not trained to do that

 

[AeronautIR]

90% for the F-16 fleet is incredibly good! How did we get that? USAF hovers at around 70% for their F-16s, but they are suffering from a shortage of ground staff as recruiting is tough and many keep being transferred or retained for F-35s.

My guess is we just have so much trained manpower to throw at the problem?

USAF has a huge fleet... it is easier for PAF which has set up 2 different depots for MLU and Blk 52 separately...
Our mission types are also way lesser than them... except CT ops, mainly A2A only... no Harpoon or HARM etc.
Very few aircraft that are down for a long time. E.g., I remember one that had its wings sent to USA. Otherwise, periodic maintenance is planned in a way that no more than 2 aircraft are in Engg wing.

 

[Yasser76]

USAF has a huge fleet... it is easier for PAF which has set up 2 different depots for MLU and Blk 52 separately...
Our mission types are also way lesser than them... except CT ops, mainly A2A only... no Harpoon or HARM etc.
Very few aircraft that are down for a long time. E.g., I remember one that had ots wings sent to USA. Otherwise, periodic maintenance is planned in a way that no more than 2 aircraft are in Engg wing.

Interesting, thanks for sharing, no wonder PAF maybe keen on more F-16s considering the extensive set up and high avails rate

 

[Pak-Warrior]

Crossposting from the other thread: AFM has confirmed in Feb2026 editio, the SU-30 that PL-15 destroyed was from 15th Squadron based at SIRSA AFS.

If Indian media ever accept these fact, they will narrate it as:

15th Squadron successfully intercepted Pakistani PL-15 with a SU-30MKI.
-Or-
Vayu seena kay Veemano ney Seenay per khaii golii

 

[Khanviletey]

90% for the F-16 fleet is incredibly good! How did we get that? USAF hovers at around 70% for their F-16s, but they are suffering from a shortage of ground staff as recruiting is tough and many keep being transferred or retained for F-35s.

My guess is we just have so much trained manpower to throw at the problem?

90% availability rate is too high even for the PAF, I understand that PAF is relatively small air force compared to the USAF and PLAAF. Finally 66% availability is more than the size of the PAF.

FY2021
F-15E: 218 / 66% / 144
F-16C: 781 / 72% / 562
F-22A: 186 / 51% / 95
F-35A: 272 / 69% / 188

FY2022
F-15E: 218 / 52% / 113
F-16C: 726 / 71% / 516
F-22A: 185 / 57% / 105
F-35A: 400 / 56% / 224

FY2023
F-15E: 218 / 52% / 113
F-16C: 704 / 71% / 500
F-22A: 185 / 57% / 105
F-35A: 443 / 52% / 230

FY2024
F-15E: 218 / 55% / 120
F-15EX: 8 / 83% / 7
F-16C: 704 / 64% / 450
F-22A: 185 / 40% / 74
F-35A: 443 / 52% / 230

KV

 

[Khanviletey]

The other point I want to make is how PAF has higher availability rates of more modern and effective platform sis compared to Indians Against Flying (IAF) is


The numbers here are assumptions
# Pakistan Air Force Fighter Availability (Assumption-Based)

Type | Inventory | Availability % | Estimated Available
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J-10C | 36 | 90% | 32
JF-17 Block 3 | 30 | 90% | 27
JF-17 Block 1/2 | 120 | 75% | 90
F-16A/B/C/D | 75 | 75% | 56
F-7PG | 54 | 70% | 38
Mirage III/5 | 150 | 60% | 90
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Total Fighters | 465 | — | 333

While for India I am quoting reports presented in Indian parliament and press where IAF avaibilty rates were capped at 55%

# Indian Air Force Fighter Availability (Assumed Model)

Type | Inventory | Availability % | Estimated Available
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Su-30MKI | 259 | 55% | 142
MiG-29 / UPG | 52 | 37% | 19
Mirage 2000I/TI | 49 | 75% | 37
SEPECAT Jaguar | 26 | 50% | 13
HAL Tejas Mk1 (FOC) | 16 | 55% | 9
Dassault Rafale | 32 | 90% | 29
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Total Fighters | 434 | — | 248

I included the 4 confirmed Rafael losses. In my estimate and did not reduce su-30, mirage or MIg -29 numbers .

All this is based on Indian sources and the Indian parliamentary report stating availability rates of 55% across the fleet.

What this means is Pakistan has a more modern and capable fleet available for war with India. This is why Indian is investing more in static defenses and longer ranged land based cruise missiles.

kV

 

[PakistaniDefender]

We also can’t ignore the “Super Sukhoi” program. Upgraded Su‑30MKIs with AESA radar and Astra BVR missiles add depth to IAF’s fleet. Even without Rafale or Su‑57 expansion, these MKIs remain a persistent headache for PAF.

What's will be the range of Astra BVRs on those Super Sukhois?

 

[PakistaniDefender]

JF-17 Block 3 (~36) at a realistic 60–70% is 24

Sorry but IAF Mirage 2000 has the same availability as our block 3s??

 

[Khanviletey]

Sorry but IAF Mirage 2000 has the same availability as our block 3s??

No, there avaibility rates are more like our f-16s , since they have not been upgraded and the spares are no longer made in France. This is why India is buying second had mirages as spares. I would not be surprised if it’s as low as 60%

The mirage rebuild factory has been keeping these beauties flying for over 50 years and more. They actually manufacture a lot of the parts now. India does not have anything close to this.

Kv

 

[Tariq Habib Afridi]

What's will be the range of Astra BVRs on those Super Sukhois?

Astra mk1 110km claimed and astra mk2 which is still not produced is claimed by indians somewhat between 160 to 200km range

 

[rafale]

90% availability rate is too high even for the PAF, I understand that PAF is relatively small air force compared to the USAF and PLAAF. Finally 66% availability is more than the size of the PAF.

FY2021
F-15E: 218 / 66% / 144
F-16C: 781 / 72% / 562
F-22A: 186 / 51% / 95
F-35A: 272 / 69% / 188

FY2022
F-15E: 218 / 52% / 113
F-16C: 726 / 71% / 516
F-22A: 185 / 57% / 105
F-35A: 400 / 56% / 224

FY2023
F-15E: 218 / 52% / 113
F-16C: 704 / 71% / 500
F-22A: 185 / 57% / 105
F-35A: 443 / 52% / 230

FY2024
F-15E: 218 / 55% / 120
F-15EX: 8 / 83% / 7
F-16C: 704 / 64% / 450
F-22A: 185 / 40% / 74
F-35A: 443 / 52% / 230

KV

Can clearly see F-16s consistently being higher up in availability, but it all depends on maintenance regime and your requirements......you can easily push 80%.

USAF can afford availability in 60% ranges because they have shit tons of jets and types available. PAF would want to keep maximum of its smaller number force available.

It depends on how well you have spares for readily available replacement where troubleshooting or repair is expected to take a long time. For example, if you have to send an avionics LRU item back to OEM for repair to replacement under warranty, you need a spare available to bring back your jet to service.

 

[rafale]

Astra mk1 110km claimed and astra mk2 which is still not produced is claimed by indians somewhat between 160 to 200km range

Let's discuss the fantasy threats of Astra Mark bla bla bla when they actually get to fire them.........till then lets not dignify their BS weapons programs that have yet to yield real world results.

The only strikes they were able to push through during May were all either Russian (Brahmos) or SCALP (French/Euro).