PAF SAM based Air Defense System - News, Discussion & Updates

PakistaniDefender said:
They start firing on Karachi and cause huge damage and on our ships and sink them as they have pathetic air defenses on them. Then we go around and start hunting them. Doesn't look good idea as Barak 8 looks better than atleast LY80N by huge margin.
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Actually there AD on shipps is actually decent for the most part . Quite better then ours actually.
 
White Privilege said:
smell the coffee, guys. Indians will only unleash like a million suicide drones and missiles next time. Their air force won't even appear on our screens. Our AD is average and won't be able to stand the sheer volume of enemy vectors. Indians will be ready with all the SAMS in the world for the PAF response....
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Million? Alright then. Let's wait and see.
 
tbh against the PN's SOSUS and boats (Hangor/Agosta 90B, possibly even an unannounced SWATS induction), the IN won't be trying to get near Pakistani shores. It's not worth it for them as the risk is way, way too high at that point, as not only would they deal with PN boats, but coastal AShMs and the PAF.

The bigger risk could be the IN trying to move farther west into the Arabian Sea as way to block shipments to and from Pakistan. However, a big reason why the PN opted to go for a much larger boat fleet via Chinese submarines rather than a few European ones was to extend boat coverages far enough to deal with that risk too.

Short of coastal threats and special/assymetric ops along littorals, I don't think there'll be a major IN vs. PN clash. The PN has built itself up to a point where it's too high-risk for the IN now.

If anything, it's the IN that has to worry about the PN trying to pull something, especially if the PN has any unannounced SWATS which, theoretically, could park up close to Indian shores and sink something.

There are likely some assets now in the PN that we will never hear of until they're either retired or will only hear of after they do something insane against the IN during a conflict.

The "silent service" has that name for a reason ;)
 
PakistaniDefender said:
They start firing on Karachi and cause huge damage and on our ships and sink them as they have pathetic air defenses on them. Then we go around and start hunting them. Doesn't look good idea as Barak 8 looks better than atleast LY80N by huge margin.
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They will have to be at 400 km to fire at Karachi. Also, compare the range of CM-400AKG with Barak 8.
 
puttputt said:
tbh against the PN's SOSUS and boats (Hangor/Agosta 90B, possibly even an unannounced SWATS induction), the IN won't be trying to get near Pakistani shores. It's not worth it for them as the risk is way, way too high at that point, as not only would they deal with PN boats, but coastal AShMs and the PAF.

The bigger risk could be the IN trying to move farther west into the Arabian Sea as way to block shipments to and from Pakistan. However, a big reason why the PN opted to go for a much larger boat fleet via Chinese submarines rather than a few European ones was to extend boat coverages far enough to deal with that risk too.

Short of coastal threats and special/assymetric ops along littorals, I don't think there'll be a major IN vs. PN clash. The PN has built itself up to a point where it's too high-risk for the IN now.

If anything, it's the IN that has to worry about the PN trying to pull something, especially if the PN has any unannounced SWATS which, theoretically, could park up close to Indian shores and sink something.

There are likely some assets now in the PN that we will never hear of until they're either retired or will only hear of after they do something insane against the IN during a conflict.

The "silent service" has that name for a reason ;)
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Basically this, PN's force composition in the near is going to be like, 11 large AIP equipped quiet Subs and 4-5 even quieter 600 ton coastal Subs for a total of 16 sub surface combatants, compared to just 14-15 large surface combatants.

I don't think there has been such a submarine focused force since WW2 Germany.
 
AeronautIR said:
They will have to be at 400 km to fire at Karachi. Also, compare the range of CM-400AKG with Barak 8.
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They have land based batteries at Gujrat and ship based brahmos have higher ranges then the older 400 km ones. also think about the conventional pralay, airlaunched brahmos or other factors.
 
falcon34 said:
Harops performed miserable, barak performance is debatable even the IAF didn't mention that system
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Harpys were the real danger, but the Barak's were there most used system in the conflict.
 
kimjongun said:
They have land based batteries at Gujrat and ship based brahmos have higher ranges then the older 400 km ones. also think about the conventional pralay, airlaunched brahmos or other factors.
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This scenario has been wargamed multiple times. It always leads to the point about who did more damage in May and showed satellite images. So I guess we will have to wait for 2.0 to see if India can actually achieve these results.
 
AeronautIR said:
This scenario has been wargamed multiple times. It always leads to the point about who did more damage in May and showed satellite images. So I guess we will have to wait for 2.0 to see if India can actually achieve these results.
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BTW CM400AKG or C802AK for IN CBG???
 
Toxic said:
Basically this, PN's force composition in the near is going to be like, 11 large AIP equipped quiet Subs and 4-5 even quieter 600 ton coastal Subs for a total of 16 sub surface combatants, compared to just 14-15 large surface combatants.

I don't think there has been such a submarine focused force since WW2 Germany.
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I think PN will also saturate coastal waters with kamikaze-capable USVs too, so even that asymmetrical scenario isn't easy-pickings for IN (and vice-versa).

It's also worth noting that geography works against India a little at sea (hence why the IN has to be a blue-water navy). Trade flows from the Arabian Sea and the Pacific, so the IN can't afford to escalate the risk at sea, as that could inadvertently disrupt trade to and from India (as merchants might worry about high-risk waters).

So, all in all, the IN probably doesn't want to escalate (which is how things seemed to have panned out in May 2025).
 
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