Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[925boy]

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The negotiations collapsed before they even started.

War it is?

Negotiations collapsed because US prefers and is readying for military action, and has no patience for negotiations, which means Iran not striking first might be the biggest mistake the IRI has made to protect itself security since 1979. War is here, so Iran might as well fight on its terms and to its advantage.

 

[Shags101]

No once can effectively dismantle Shia militias in Iraq, except maybe their creator, Iran. Israel still hasn't dismantled 1 Shia militia in the ME, and many on this forum dunno that israel swallowed 10s and 10s of OWA drones during OP TP 2 from Iraqi militias. Those militias fired those small shahed 238(black) drones very effectively against israel. Israeli radars rarely picked them up and few of them were intercepted.

To be fair that’s where they work the best because Iran sent out dozens or hundreds at the same time they could be spotted easily when they were launched and tracked afterwards in the air Iranians were finally getting hits in at the end because Israel’s interceptors were running dry.

Houthis and the Iraqis were sending out at best 1 to 3 at a time they were basically spotted only until they were just outside or Israel airspace or outside.
The Iraqis got the Americans in Jordan for sure they got two idf in the golan from what I remember and sporadic hits ,same with Houthis a few kills but as with everything we will never know what targets were hit inside Israel when it comes to sensitive military sites.

Honestly shows you even the Iraqis who are using knock offs of Iranian built drones were extremely accurate in hitting high value targets especially the golan heights and the American base in Jordan

 

[Shags101]

Negotiations collapsed because US prefers and is readying for military action, and has no patience for negotiations, which means Iran not striking first might be the biggest mistake the IRI has made to protect itself security since 1979. War is here, so Iran might as well fight on its terms and to its advantage.

To be fair they have to wait for trump or Israel to attack first otherwise they are the violent instigators of this war Israel attacked Europe and America rolled their eyes Iran attacks tomorrow first they will have all of Europe Arab(mostly from Abraham accords) and America coming to fight on their behalf

 

[mangekyo]

No once can effectively dismantle Shia militias in Iraq, except maybe their creator, Iran. Israel still hasn't dismantled 1 Shia militia in the ME, and many on this forum dunno that israel swallowed 10s and 10s of OWA drones during OP TP 2 from Iraqi militias. Those militias fired those small shahed 238(black) drones very effectively against israel. Israeli radars rarely picked them up and few of them were intercepted.

these militias won’t last long without Iranian support

 

[Kyussis]

No that’s wrong to say innocent people died because of that you can’t blame people for wanting a better life

There were weeks of peaceful protests before CIA/Mossad MeK agents took to the streets to cause havoc. Once the violence started anyone who remained on the streets shoulder to shoulder with terrorists are considered terrorists.

 

[925boy]

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The negotiations collapsed before they even started.

Yup

War it is?
Yes, and its for Iran to start it and lead its side of the conflict through it.

 

[mangekyo]

Nah. I doubt it!


Anyone "protesting" next to CIA/Mossad agitators after Mossad had explicitly stated that they are on the streets of Iran, deserved everything they got!

Did all of them know they were protesting next to Mossad?

 

[Shags101]

these militias won’t last long without Iranian support

I don’t know I think Houthis by now are more than capable of doing a lot on their own and like a user said here they were fighting GCC alliance fairly well before Iran got in the picture.

The Iraqi militias are far more powerful and with a lot more support from common Shia Iraqis who see the Iraqi government as corrupt

There’s really only one group facing a threat from within and outside is Hezbollah Lebanon is fractured into 3 different groups and Lebanons army will do Israel’s and Americas bidding so it might blow up one day in another civil war which would make Israel happy Hezbollahs support isn’t at its height of 2006 sorry to say it their biggest screw up was they should have let Bashar to hit fate years ago.

 

[925boy]

Yeah let's wait

Iran will probably pay a high cost if it "waits".

US has never amassed a naval and military contingent this large and not initiated military operations. US might not strike now, but it will strike Iran soon, maybe after Israel starts an attack on Iran(i knew israel was planning another attack on Iran when the Israelis told a Russian envoy to tell Iran that israel has "no plans of attacking Iran").

 

[mangekyo]

Then their plans will fail. There will be no stable Middle East because nobody in their right mind would want to listen to what White Europeans say. We will overthrow them from power, collapse the US Economy, and send White Europeans from colonizer to colonized status as payback for what they did to Natives and Gazans.

Ok, who’s «we»?

 

[Kyussis]

Did all of them know they were protesting next to Mossad?

Had they not relied on Iran International, BBC "persian" and VOA propaganda for their news source, they would have!

 

[Shags101]

Iran will probably pay a high cost if it "waits".

US has never amassed a naval and military contingent this large and not initiated military operations. US might not strike now, but it will strike Iran soon, maybe after Israel starts an attack on Iran(i knew israel was planning another attack on Iran when the Israelis told a Russian envoy to tell Iran that israel has "no plans of attacking Iran").

no plans of attacking Iran

So me you and basically everyone else………just saying MR ANALYST

 

[Shags101]

Ok, who’s «we»?

WE do not speak about the WE the WE are all POWERFUL the WE are waiting int the SHADOWS waiting to STRIKE…..sorry WE I mean me needs to go to sleep hopefully crazy people don’t attack when I wake up

 

[925boy]

But we must acknowledge that security forces did also kill a lot civilians and this will come back to haunt us one day.

It is not the first time security forces kills civilians. They killed a lot of civilians during the green movement. None of these were armed. But it is different now with social media being everywhere.

You cant indiscriminately kill thousands of civilians just because there are armed terrorists hiding amongst them.

But did you know many security forces DID NOT possess deadly weapons when confronting most of the protesters and rioters? This is what led to the deaths of many basij and police forces. Iran almost lost control of its streets, there was going to be some serious collateral to squash and defeat a well funded violent ISIS type street riots that was the 1st stage of a coup in Iran.

 

[925boy]

these militias won’t last long without Iranian support

Yes they will, primarily because iran has set them up and trained them very well, plus their rooted ideology and connection to their people and their struggles, and many can produce their weapons independently (even if they may not be as high tech as what Iran or a country with a good military can produce). Hamas fought against israel very effectively even when ira Iranian support was minimum and it had been almost decimated by Israel.