Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[kastor ville]

If I were Iran, I would agree with these points. Iran's nuclear program consumed vast amounts of national resources and led to decades of sanctions from the US and the West, but ultimately Iran failed to develop nuclear weapons. In other words, Iran paid a huge price but gained nothing.
I also agree to abandon the Shiite Crescent. Hamas has been completely defeated, Hezbollah leaders have been assassinated, and the Assad government has been overthrown. Iran's only Shiite allies now are the Houthis and Iraqi Shiite militias.Regardless of whether Iran substantially abandons the Shiite Crescent, the Shiite forces in the Middle East have already been significantly weakened. They are currently unlikely to pose an effective threat to Israel.

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[ToddE]

The reason Iran did not intercept these Israeli missiles is simple: Iran's radar and air defense missiles are outdated.
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Iran copied a bunch of old Russian P-18 radars, and the Iranians probably really believed the Russians' boasts about their anti-stealth capabilities.
You can see the gap between them by looking at China's actual anti-stealth radar.

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As for Iran's air defense system, it's laughable. Iran's prized Bavar-373 missile system is only in service with one system to date.
Because Iran simply doesn't have the capability to produce a qualified X-band radar, and currently only one set of this radar has been produced.Moreover, it was destroyed in the War.
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So you are a troll. I understand now. Posting some random pictures of 1-2 radars here and there wont change anything. IRIAD operates some 20 different kinds of radars from dozens of OTHs to UHF, VHF, PESA etc, our most modern one are AESA with 16-20K GaN T/R modules. Showing some 1-2 pictures to make the post look colorful may work on low info users but not me.

Since you are so keen on talking about copies, experts like Tom C (command over Iranian military) believe that majority Iranian AD assets are ToT's from Chinese CATIC-SAIRAN (Iran) collaboration. https://www.keymilitary.com/article/threat-analysis-iranian-air-defence-systems. Lol if we fail, you fail. Let alone Iran, your own AD weaponry has failed miserably against modern attack weapons. Your HQ-9, HQ-16 could not stop P-800 Oniks, Harop drones and client got 7-8 airbases/airports missiled. Previously same systems failed against Iranian Fateh-313 Quasi BM, Shahed-136.

ALBMs, Hypersonic BMs, Supersonic CMs have yet to be intercepted even by worlds most advanced and layered ABM/AD shields. Russian Khinzal, P-800 Oniks/Brahmos, Iranian Fattah & Kheybar Shikan, Israeli Golden Horizon/sparrow/rocks have been used extensively in wars yet none has ever been intercepted if we leave out 5% dubious interception claim by Ukrainians of Khinzal. IRGCASF's missiles upon being on loose from their TEL are searched and tracked by US satellite and radars in Persian Gulf and Iraq. They in real time transfer the Search/track data to Israeli ABM/AD layered network. This is how much extensive and deeper the Israeli ABM/AD shield is but you know how many Fattah and Khyebar Shikan missiles were intercepted by Israelis despite them being fired in high numbers ? ZERO. You wont understand this because of low intellect but attack weaponry has far exceeded the defence tech everywhere in the world. Russian AD has on many occassions failed to stop even Ukrainian famingo and storm shadow as well and they are not even hypersonic/supersonic weapons.

As for those four S300PMU2 systems, they were too old and had already been destroyed by the F-35.

Provide evidence or you are a troll ? here is my counter claim S-300 radar was hit was by an ALBM whose booster stage was found in Iraq after IRGC launched 180 missiles at Israel during TP2.

 

[ToddE]

Now that there are no Iranian bases, the IAF can fly freely over Syria.

And the point is ? its not our problem anymore. When we were in that region, Israelis borderline lost a war in 2006. Good riddance we can save money now.

These Israeli missiles aren't particularly advanced in terms of technology; a competent air defense system could easily intercept them.

ROFL. Israeli ALBM/SOW arsenal is as advanced as IRGCASF's missile arsenal. Their ALBMs have separating MaRVs so RCS is cut to a fraction, they can be lofted to high apogee for K.E through skip maneuver or glide, and they are MRBMs. Imagine IRGC's Fattah or Kheybar Shikan being launched from a fighter jet. You cant trace its boost phase so early warning or search and track oppurtunity is gone, suddenly its hypersonic RV emerges in your skies. Who can stop that ? You need to update your information otherwise you are wasting everyones time here.

And let's not forget that many of the attack videos released by Israel show F-15s carrying JDAM and Paveway bombs.

Provide videos of Israeli fighters (not drone) flying over Iran ? Like I said Iranian government had no Gag order on making videos of enemy strikes. Amusingly Israelis had a gag order on their public to not film the IRGC attack, their police were arresting people with cameras at impact site. Iran is densely populated, everyone has a camera. Had such "Aerial Supremacy" as being claimed by Israelis was established we would have hundreds of videos and clips running around showing jets flying above people heads like it happened in Ukraine, Syria, Iraq wars. Even if they are at altitutde, some sound something would have come out but none came except (1) F-15 Jettisoning event after being fired upon by Khordad HIMAD (2) Alleged F-15 releasing Flares at night (Some said it was IRIAF fighter). Even the Spice PGM claim by Israeli media turned out to be Ice breaker ALCM fired from above Iraq. So I ask you again provide evidence of Israeli jets flying above Iran or be labeled as a troll ?

 

[ToddE]

If you have hundreds of missile cities i assume converting dozens of those in airports should not be big issue.

Probably. Large missile bases can probably house 1-1.5 squadrons of SU-35S but except for Oghab-44 and may be another underground airbase, IRGCASF does all these underground base builds up. Their focus is missile.

See this is why I always have been in favor of IRIAF merger with IRGCASF.

 

[ToddE]

Repeat of last year before the war. US-IRI are talking and things seem to improve. Suddenly Jews make an entry to coerce the compromised pedo US politicians into blackmail.

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[ToddE]

Something I do not understand, whats so scary about Iranian missiles ? they are not nuclear tipped, IRGC does not have a Sat-Nav LEO constellation of its own yet, force does not operate long ranged ALBMs either. What is the Jew concern here is beyond me. They are making zero noise over rather large order of SU-35S but some Fattahs and Sejjils are problem this big that Trump the pedo has to be blackmailed into talking to Iran over them ?

 

[ToddE]

Trump, Hegseth, Ratcliffe all echo chambered that half a tonne HEU was at the site and it got bombed to shreds and blah blah. Now they want it to be diluted or moved to third country? Have they slowly back tracked on their last years claim or are they implying that it was not destroyed and is still lying there somewhere in an indestructible container, extraction of which will require dozens or hundreds of millions of USD? Something more deeper is going on between US and IRI.

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[mythbuster]

Something I do not understand, whats so scary about Iranian missiles ? they are not nuclear tipped, IRGC does not have a Sat-Nav LEO constellation of its own yet, force does not operate long ranged ALBMs either. What is the Jew concern here is beyond me. They are making zero noise over rather large order of SU-35S but some Fattahs and Sejjils are problem this big that Trump the pedo has to be blackmailed into talking to Iran over them ?

Don't worry about your missiles program , you will be allowed to keep it partially going as a face saving gesture.... your missiles without nukes is not an existential threat to Israel.

 

[LX1111]

o you are a troll. I understand now. Posting some random pictures of 1-2 radars here and there wont change anything. IRIAD operates some 20 different kinds of radars from dozens of OTHs to UHF, VHF, PESA etc, our most modern one are AESA with 16-20K GaN T/R modules. Showing some 1-2 pictures to make the post look colorful may work on low info users but not me

Your responses are quite lengthy, and I will reply to each one individually.
Iran has long relied on improved versions of the P-18 radar, but this radar is outdated and still uses Yagi antennas, making it susceptible to interference even by the cheapest jamming pods.

After last year’s war, Iran began replicating the Soviet-era Kasta 2E2 radar. However, its technical level remains low, as can be seen from its appearance—a simple parabolic antenna.

After that, Iran imported a large number of massive VHF radars from Russia, totaling 14 units. However, these radars were designed to detect intercontinental ballistic missiles and launch vehicles, but Iran is using them to detect F-35s, which is truly puzzling.

 

[LX1111]

So you are a troll. I understand now. Posting some random pictures of 1-2 radars here and there wont change anything. IRIAD operates some 20 different kinds of radars from dozens of OTHs to UHF, VHF, PESA etc, our most modern one are AESA with 16-20K GaN T/R modules. Showing some 1-2 pictures to make the post look colorful may work on low info users but not me.

Since you are so keen on talking about copies, experts like Tom C (command over Iranian military) believe that majority Iranian AD assets are ToT's from Chinese CATIC-SAIRAN (Iran) collaboration. https://www.keymilitary.com/article/threat-analysis-iranian-air-defence-systems. Lol if we fail, you fail. Let alone Iran, your own AD weaponry has failed miserably against modern attack weapons. Your HQ-9, HQ-16 could not stop P-800 Oniks, Harop drones and client got 7-8 airbases/airports missiled. Previously same systems failed against Iranian Fateh-313 Quasi BM, Shahed-136.

Iran's air defense systems have no connection to China's. Iran's main missiles are largely imitations of Russian designs. For instance, the "March 3" missile, widely deployed by Iran, is essentially a copy of the Buk system. The problem is that the radar of the March 3 missile is nearly identical to that of the Buk-M1. Iran has replicated a Soviet-era PESA radar using ferrite technology from 50 years ago, which during last year's war even failed to detect F-15/F-16 aircraft flying directly overhead.

 

[LX1111]

So you are a troll. I understand now. Posting some random pictures of 1-2 radars here and there wont change anything. IRIAD operates some 20 different kinds of radars from dozens of OTHs to UHF, VHF, PESA etc, our most modern one are AESA with 16-20K GaN T/R modules. Showing some 1-2 pictures to make the post look colorful may work on low info users but not me.

Since you are so keen on talking about copies, experts like Tom C (command over Iranian military) believe that majority Iranian AD assets are ToT's from Chinese CATIC-SAIRAN (Iran) collaboration. https://www.keymilitary.com/article/threat-analysis-iranian-air-defence-systems. Lol if we fail, you fail. Let alone Iran, your own AD weaponry has failed miserably against modern attack weapons. Your HQ-9, HQ-16 could not stop P-800 Oniks, Harop drones and client got 7-8 airbases/airports missiled. Previously same systems failed against Iranian Fateh-313 Quasi BM, Shahed-136.

ALBMs, Hypersonic BMs, Supersonic CMs have yet to be intercepted even by worlds most advanced and layered ABM/AD shields. Russian Khinzal, P-800 Oniks/Brahmos, Iranian Fattah & Kheybar Shikan, Israeli Golden Horizon/sparrow/rocks have been used extensively in wars yet none has ever been intercepted if we leave out 5% dubious interception claim by Ukrainians of Khinzal. IRGCASF's missiles upon being on loose from their TEL are searched and tracked by US satellite and radars in Persian Gulf and Iraq. They in real time transfer the Search/track data to Israeli ABM/AD layered network. This is how much extensive and deeper the Israeli ABM/AD shield is but you know how many Fattah and Khyebar Shikan missiles were intercepted by Israelis despite them being fired in high numbers ? ZERO. You wont understand this because of low intellect but attack weaponry has far exceeded the defence tech everywhere in the world. Russian AD has on many occassions failed to stop even Ukrainian famingo and storm shadow as well and they are not even hypersonic/supersonic weapons.



Provide evidence or you are a troll ? here is my counter claim S-300 radar was hit was by an ALBM whose booster stage was found in Iraq after IRGC launched 180 missiles at Israel during TP2.

Iranians are even more prone to boasting about their weapons than Indians. Iran finds it extremely difficult to produce qualified X-band AESA radars. To this day, the Bavar-373 missile system has only produced one set of X-band fire control radar.
Now this radar has been destroyed. Iran also claims that the Meraj-4 radar, which is part of the Bavar-373 missile system, has a detection range of 450 km. In reality, this radar is a copy of China's 605B radar from the 2000s. Iran obtained the export version of this radar from Syria and replicated it, while falsely promoting it as domestically developed.

 

[mulj]

Something I do not understand, whats so scary about Iranian missiles ? they are not nuclear tipped, IRGC does not have a Sat-Nav LEO constellation of its own yet, force does not operate long ranged ALBMs either. What is the Jew concern here is beyond me. They are making zero noise over rather large order of SU-35S but some Fattahs and Sejjils are problem this big that Trump the pedo has to be blackmailed into talking to Iran over them ?

I read rumors that Iran works intensively on multiplying missiles production capacities. That alone is scaring if Iran can muster up hundreds of missiles per month that means israel is basically defenseless even with collective west assitance in attrition game and that is scary

 

[lightning f57]

Something I do not understand, whats so scary about Iranian missiles ? they are not nuclear tipped, IRGC does not have a Sat-Nav LEO constellation of its own yet, force does not operate long ranged ALBMs either. What is the Jew concern here is beyond me. They are making zero noise over rather large order of SU-35S but some Fattahs and Sejjils are problem this big that Trump the pedo has to be blackmailed into talking to Iran over them ?

The missiles do their job, they send a whole nation underground hiding. Israel can't sustain that economically and if the missiles get more accuracy they will destroy key assets once Israeli and US ABM systems are further depleted.

The offensive missile strategy works but the bases need better protection and improved accuracy IMO will actually provide a deterrence.

 

[Mehdipersian]

Something I do not understand, whats so scary about Iranian missiles ? they are not nuclear tipped, IRGC does not have a Sat-Nav LEO constellation of its own yet, force does not operate long ranged ALBMs either. What is the Jew concern here is beyond me. They are making zero noise over rather large order of SU-35S but some Fattahs and Sejjils are problem this big that Trump the pedo has to be blackmailed into talking to Iran over them ?

Tens of thousands of ballistic missiles are much more dangerous than 48 Sukhoi 35 fighters.

If all these Sukhoi were to attack at the same time, it would be unlikely that they would even be able to get close to Israel's borders (the American, British, French and Arabs airforces , and Israel itself protect the Jewish masters).

 

[Arash]

NEW — Israel's demands put forward in the talks between the US and Iran:

Complete cancellation of Iran's nuclear program.
Reduction of uranium enrichment to zero.
Reduction of uranium enrichment capability to zero.
Removal of enriched uranium from Iran.
Limiting the range of Iranian missiles to 300 km.
Elimination of the Shiite axis.
Close, strong, and genuine monitoring of the implementation of these items.

- Israel Channel 14 -

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Insane demands. No self-respecting Iranian could accept these terms.

Apparently Aragchi already told them no....