Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[shapurzolaktaf]

If I were Iran, I would agree with these points. Iran's nuclear program consumed vast amounts of national resources and led to decades of sanctions from the US and the West, but ultimately Iran failed to develop nuclear weapons. In other words, Iran paid a huge price but gained nothing.
I also agree to abandon the Shiite Crescent. Hamas has been completely defeated, Hezbollah leaders have been assassinated, and the Assad government has been overthrown. Iran's only Shiite allies now are the Houthis and Iraqi Shiite militias.Regardless of whether Iran substantially abandons the Shiite Crescent, the Shiite forces in the Middle East have already been significantly weakened. They are currently unlikely to pose an effective threat to Israel.

If I were Iran and knowing Iranian Culture (we dont accept big mouth from foreign enemies) I would increase missile bases, range and quantity massively and explain that death of Khamenei or war against Iran means death of the fatwa against nukes.

 

[mangekyo]

Limiting the range of missiles to 300km would only delay a new war with Israel and US.

 

[Mehdipersian]

NEW — Israel's demands put forward in the talks between the US and Iran:

Complete cancellation of Iran's nuclear program.
Reduction of uranium enrichment to zero.
Reduction of uranium enrichment capability to zero.
Removal of enriched uranium from Iran.
Limiting the range of Iranian missiles to 300 km.
Elimination of the Shiite axis.
Close, strong, and genuine monitoring of the implementation of these items.

- Israel Channel 14 -



Insane demands. No self-respecting Iranian could accept these terms.

Lol.
So the Jews should wait for a rain of new missiles with 2-ton warheads.

 

[StrategicBear]

If I were Iran, I would agree with these points. Iran's nuclear program consumed vast amounts of national resources and led to decades of sanctions from the US and the West, but ultimately Iran failed to develop nuclear weapons. In other words, Iran paid a huge price but gained nothing.
I also agree to abandon the Shiite Crescent. Hamas has been completely defeated, Hezbollah leaders have been assassinated, and the Assad government has been overthrown. Iran's only Shiite allies now are the Houthis and Iraqi Shiite militias.Regardless of whether Iran substantially abandons the Shiite Crescent, the Shiite forces in the Middle East have already been significantly weakened. They are currently unlikely to pose an effective threat to Israel.

NOPE.

Iran must keep missiles of any ranges until the world ends.
NON-NEGOTIABLE, as Israel represents the West, who we must topple, NERF and defang so they can no longer pose a threat to Muslims.

 

[muhammed45]

If I were Iran, I would agree with these points. Iran's nuclear program consumed vast amounts of national resources and led to decades of sanctions from the US and the West, but ultimately Iran failed to develop nuclear weapons. In other words, Iran paid a huge price but gained nothing.
I also agree to abandon the Shiite Crescent. Hamas has been completely defeated, Hezbollah leaders have been assassinated, and the Assad government has been overthrown. Iran's only Shiite allies now are the Houthis and Iraqi Shiite militias.Regardless of whether Iran substantially abandons the Shiite Crescent, the Shiite forces in the Middle East have already been significantly weakened. They are currently unlikely to pose an effective threat to Israel.

Your intelligence was unveiled when you categorized Hamas as a part of the so called Shiite crescent. A crescent that only exists in the minds of colonial powers that have always tried to divide Muslims based upon their sects.

Sometimes shutting mouth becomes a sign of wisdom, its not always a bad thing.

Btw, after Venezuela, USA was supposed to go after other oil sources that feed Chinese markets and economy such as Russia and Iran. Big point, other countries like Arabs as a whole and others can be easily convinced/bullied by the US to stop or at least limit their oil flow to Chinese markets. USA doesn't want to fall behind China economically, even if COVID-19 was the solution to wipe out a big part of Chinese cost efficient workforce.

Iran getting unarmed, de-militarized and puppet-ized by the US should be the last thing that a Chinese would want.

I usually advice Yoga and simple Meditation techniques for retards like you, those who know noting of deism. It can partly help you cure your mental retardation and raise you to mild mental retardation from profound level. Good luck with that, takes time but its hopeful.

 

[LX1111]

If I were Iran and knowing Iranian Culture (we dont accept big mouth from foreign enemies) I would increase missile bases, range and quantity massively and explain that death of Khamenei or war against Iran means death of the fatwa against nukes.

If I were Iran and knowing Iranian Culture (we dont accept big mouth from foreign enemies) I would increase missile bases, range and quantity massively and explain that death of Khamenei or war against Iran means death of the fatwa against nukes.

Iran hasn't developed nuclear weapons in twenty years. Now, under the threat of bombing from Israel, can it still develop nuclear weapons?Don't forget that Iran's economy has collapsed, and a large number of Iranians oppose the Islamic regime.
Iran's missile technology is too rudimentary; its best medium-range missiles are still liquid-fueled, with a launch preparation time as long as 3 minutes.Moreover, it basically lacks end-point maneuverability.

 

[LX1111]

Your intelligence was unveiled when you categorized Hamas as a part of the so called Shiite crescent. A crescent that only exists in the minds of colonial powers that have always tried to divide Muslims based upon their sects.

Sometimes shutting mouth becomes a sign of wisdom, its not always a bad thing.

Btw, after Venezuela, USA was supposed to go after other oil sources that feed Chinese markets and economy such as Russia and Iran. Big point, other countries like Arabs as a whole and others can be easily convinced/bullied by the US to stop or at least limit their oil flow to Chinese markets. USA doesn't want to fall behind China economically, even if COVID-19 was the solution to wipe out a big part of Chinese cost efficient workforce.

Iran getting unarmed, de-militarized and puppet-ized by the US should be the last thing that a Chinese would want.

I usually advice Yoga and simple Meditation techniques for retards like you, those who know noting of deism. It can partly help you cure your mental retardation and raise you to mild mental retardation from profound level. Good luck with that, takes time but its hopeful.

Are you threatening the Chinese that if they don't help Iran, China will be finished?
We'd really like to see what happens after Iran collapses. After Iraq fell, China gained control of two-thirds of Iraq's oil fields. Perhaps we can get the same amount after Iran collapses.After the signing of the Iran nuclear deal, Iran directly seized Chinese oil fields in Iran and resold them to Europe. Therefore, in China's view, Iran has no credibility whatsoever.
As stated in the Chinese Foreign Ministry's statement, China does not interfere in Iran's internal affairs, and Iran's future is decided by the Iranian people.China expresses its support if the Iranian people decide to overthrow this corrupt theocratic government.

 

[LX1111]

NOPE.

Iran must keep missiles of any ranges until the world ends.
NON-NEGOTIABLE, as Israel represents the West, who we must topple, NERF and defang so they can no longer pose a threat to Muslims.

Haha, do Iran's missiles have any ability to threaten Israel? Most of the large number of missiles launched by Iran in last year's war were intercepted, with a small number hitting Israeli cities, airports, and airspace.
Did Iran's missiles thwart the IAF's operation? No.
Instead, most of the missile launch sites were destroyed by the IAF on the first day of the war.
Iran spends most of its budget on developing medium-range missiles, but the actual effect is not even as good as the Houthi attacks on Israeli merchant ships in the Red Sea.

 

[muhammed45]

Are you threatening the Chinese that if they don't help Iran, China will be finished?
We'd really like to see what happens after Iran collapses. After Iraq fell, China gained control of two-thirds of Iraq's oil fields. Perhaps we can get the same amount after Iran collapses.After the signing of the Iran nuclear deal, Iran directly seized Chinese oil fields in Iran and resold them to Europe. Therefore, in China's view, Iran has no credibility whatsoever.
As stated in the Chinese Foreign Ministry's statement, China does not interfere in Iran's internal affairs, and Iran's future is decided by the Iranian people.China expresses its support if the Iranian people decide to overthrow this corrupt theocratic government.

Lol, i sincerely hope Chinese average IQ is much higher than yours. Chinese oil fields in Iran? Where is it located? Xinjiang?

 

[Mehdipersian]

Iran hasn't developed nuclear weapons in twenty years. Now, under the threat of bombing from Israel, can it still develop nuclear weapons?Don't forget that Iran's economy has collapsed, and a large number of Iranians oppose the Islamic regime.
Iran's missile technology is too rudimentary; its best medium-range missiles are still liquid-fueled, with a launch preparation time as long as 3 minutes.Moreover, it basically lacks end-point maneuverability.
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It's funny to read your comments. It's better not to comment on something you don't know anything about.

Also I don't know if you're a troll or not, but the repetition of Western propaganda against Iran by a Chinese account raises questions about the identity of this account.

 

[LX1111]

Lol, i sincerely hope Chinese average IQ is much higher than yours. Chinese oil fields in Iran? Where is it located? Xinjiang?

I think you'd better be more polite. China acquired the exploitation rights to the Azadegan oil field in 2009 for $2.5 billion. However, the contract terms were extremely harsh. While it was supposed to be a joint development, Iran contributed neither technology nor capital; all development investment had to be advanced by CNPC. The revenue would then be split with Iran once the oil field was operational—essentially a get-rich-quick scheme.
The regulations also stipulate that at least 50% of the equipment and resources used must be from Iran. This means that the oil field must make concessions to the Iranians during the construction phase, while the Chinese side will bear all the risks associated with oil field production and fluctuations in international oil prices.
As a result, in 2014, Iran canceled its cooperative development contract with CNPC, citing project delays and non-delivery.
Why? At this time, the Iran nuclear deal was about to be signed, and Iran did not want to share oil extraction with China.
There was also the South Pars gas field cooperation project, in which Iran ousted CNPC for the same reason. Then, as a gesture of goodwill towards the West, it handed over the development rights of the gas field to European and American companies such as Total.

 

[kastor ville]

If I were Iran, I would agree with these points. Iran's nuclear program consumed vast amounts of national resources and led to decades of sanctions from the US and the West, but ultimately Iran failed to develop nuclear weapons. In other words, Iran paid a huge price but gained nothing.
I also agree to abandon the Shiite Crescent. Hamas has been completely defeated, Hezbollah leaders have been assassinated, and the Assad government has been overthrown. Iran's only Shiite allies now are the Houthis and Iraqi Shiite militias.Regardless of whether Iran substantially abandons the Shiite Crescent, the Shiite forces in the Middle East have already been significantly weakened. They are currently unlikely to pose an effective threat to Israel.

Welcome to the Khamenei School of Policy

 

[ToddE]

The reason Iran did not intercept these Israeli missiles is simple: Iran's radar and air defense missiles are outdated.
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Iran copied a bunch of old Russian P-18 radars, and the Iranians probably really believed the Russians' boasts about their anti-stealth capabilities.
You can see the gap between them by looking at China's actual anti-stealth radar.

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As for Iran's air defense system, it's laughable. Iran's prized Bavar-373 missile system is only in service with one system to date.
Because Iran simply doesn't have the capability to produce a qualified X-band radar, and currently only one set of this radar has been produced.Moreover, it was destroyed in the War.
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So you are a troll. I understand now. Posting some random pictures of 1-2 radars here and there wont change anything. IRIAD operates some 20 different kinds of radars from dozens of OTHs to UHF, VHF, PESA etc, our most modern one are AESA with 16-20K GaN T/R modules. Showing some 1-2 pictures to make the post look colorful may work on low info users but not me.

Since you are so keen on talking about copies, experts like Tom C (command over Iranian military) believe that majority Iranian AD assets are ToT's from Chinese CATIC-SAIRAN (Iran) collaboration. https://www.keymilitary.com/article/threat-analysis-iranian-air-defence-systems. Lol if we fail, you fail. Let alone Iran, your own AD weaponry has failed miserably against modern attack weapons. Your HQ-9, HQ-16 could not stop P-800 Oniks, Harop drones and client got 7-8 airbases/airports missiled. Previously same systems failed against Iranian Fateh-313 Quasi BM, Shahed-136.

ALBMs, Hypersonic BMs, Supersonic CMs have yet to be intercepted even by worlds most advanced and layered ABM/AD shields. Russian Khinzal, P-800 Oniks/Brahmos, Iranian Fattah & Kheybar Shikan, Israeli Golden Horizon/sparrow/rocks have been used extensively in wars yet none has ever been intercepted if we leave out 5% dubious interception claim by Ukrainians of Khinzal. IRGCASF's missiles upon being on loose from their TEL are searched and tracked by US satellite and radars in Persian Gulf and Iraq. They in real time transfer the Search/track data to Israeli ABM/AD layered network. This is how much extensive and deeper the Israeli ABM/AD shield is but you know how many Fattah and Khyebar Shikan missiles were intercepted by Israelis despite them being fired in high numbers ? ZERO. You wont understand this because of low intellect but attack weaponry has far exceeded the defence tech everywhere in the world. Russian AD has on many occassions failed to stop even Ukrainian famingo and storm shadow as well and they are not even hypersonic/supersonic weapons.

As for those four S300PMU2 systems, they were too old and had already been destroyed by the F-35.

Provide evidence or you are a troll ? here is my counter claim S-300 radar was hit was by an ALBM whose booster stage was found in Iraq after IRGC launched 180 missiles at Israel during TP2.

 

[ToddE]

Now that there are no Iranian bases, the IAF can fly freely over Syria.

And the point is ? its not our problem anymore. When we were in that region, Israelis borderline lost a war in 2006. Good riddance we can save money now.

These Israeli missiles aren't particularly advanced in terms of technology; a competent air defense system could easily intercept them.

ROFL. Israeli ALBM/SOW arsenal is as advanced as IRGCASF's missile arsenal. Their ALBMs have separating MaRVs so RCS is cut to a fraction, they can be lofted to high apogee for K.E through skip maneuver or glide, and they are MRBMs. Imagine IRGC's Fattah or Kheybar Shikan being launched from a fighter jet. You cant trace its boost phase so early warning or search and track oppurtunity is gone, suddenly its hypersonic RV emerges in your skies. Who can stop that ? You need to update your information otherwise you are wasting everyones time here.

And let's not forget that many of the attack videos released by Israel show F-15s carrying JDAM and Paveway bombs.

Provide videos of Israeli fighters (not drone) flying over Iran ? Like I said Iranian government had no Gag order on making videos of enemy strikes. Amusingly Israelis had a gag order on their public to not film the IRGC attack, their police were arresting people with cameras at impact site. Iran is densely populated, everyone has a camera. Had such "Aerial Supremacy" as being claimed by Israelis was established we would have hundreds of videos and clips running around showing jets flying above people heads like it happened in Ukraine, Syria, Iraq wars. Even if they are at altitutde, some sound something would have come out but none came except (1) F-15 Jettisoning event after being fired upon by Khordad HIMAD (2) Alleged F-15 releasing Flares at night (Some said it was IRIAF fighter). Even the Spice PGM claim by Israeli media turned out to be Ice breaker ALCM fired from above Iraq. So I ask you again provide evidence of Israeli jets flying above Iran or be labeled as a troll ?

 

[ToddE]

If you have hundreds of missile cities i assume converting dozens of those in airports should not be big issue.

Probably. Large missile bases can probably house 1-1.5 squadrons of SU-35S but except for Oghab-44 and may be another underground airbase, IRGCASF does all these underground base builds up. Their focus is missile.

See this is why I always have been in favor of IRIAF merger with IRGCASF.