PAF J-10CE News, Updates and Discussion

[Fatman17]

I gave you dislike because of the content of your posts. You were saying very silly stuff.

First post you said choosing to become a fighter pilot for the air force was a bad thing and its supposedly much better to be a drone operator than being a fighter pilot! Second post you said fighter pilots become dumb after flying!

I showed my dislike to those silly statements.

Your going around giving dislike to my PAST posts for REVENGE purpose is not the same thing!!

If you had any REAL reason to dislike those posts you would have done so AT THE TIME, not searching for them AFTER I gave the dislike ( ) reaction to your posts!

Doing this is SHALLOW behaviour and giving such "revenge reactions" not only shows you to be a SHALLOW person but is also a misuse of forum features.

My reactions to your posts for example were genuine reactions as I have explained above. They were not in revenge of anything.

Furthermore you have again levelled unfounded allegations and indulged in baseless name calling toward me.

For example, I have shown with reasons why you are indeed a shallow person. Not only for indulging in revenge reactions (which i actually found funny more than anything else ), but also for your latest abusive post. Only a shallow person would make such posts.

Now can YOU show based on what you can call me 'coward' or 'duplicit' , if you indeed even know the meaning of those words???

Your dislike reactions didn't bother me so much, they were funny. But your choice of being rude and abusive afterwards is quite bad. I think moderators should give you a rest from posting for this behaviour or at least a warning.

@Waz @Musings @Fatman17

Relax everyone. No harm done

 

[Musings]

On topic please……

 

[MastanKhan]

okay, so as I understand, in this line of work (Duty)

professionalism is defined very differently from ordinary civilian line of work.

at least, I did not think of that before!

Hi,

Obviuously---in flight---when you don't know when the missile hits you---will you be obliterated alongwith the aircraft---or you be able to eject or if your parachute did not open---or if you were flying low and the aircraft crashed---you ejected in your zero zero ejection seat and then your parachute lands you right on top of the burning debris---.

Or if you parachuted on top of the mad mob like hell stirred hornets population---who had sticks and metal rods to beat you to a pulp---I guess it is a "different kind of job".

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

Hi,

Obviuously---in flight---when you don't know when the missile hits you---will you be obliterated alongwith the aircraft---or you be able to eject or if your parachute did not open---or if you were flying low and the aircraft crashed---you ejected in your zero zero ejection seat and then your parachute lands you right on top of the burning debris---.

Or if you parachuted on top of the mad mob like hell stirred hornets population---who had sticks and metal rods to beat you to a pulp---I guess it is a "different kind of job".

100%. I was trying to understand, how a fighter pilot would break

as I understand, fighter pilot is audacious but can be fragile.

quick reaction ability, strong mental ability to process data in quick span, faster processing of sensor data to make decisions, one cannot be taught these. It takes different breed to do all that


but, even the best pilot can break, if its not the case, then he is not pilot!

after all he is a human

 

[AeronautIR]

sir, can a bad pilot fly Jf 17 block III?

or only outliers can fly JF 17 III or J 10 CE?

Bad pilot? There are multiple flying training stages before becoming a fighter pilot. Many get suspended from flying for various reasons. If you are not grounded, that means you can fly any fighter.

 

[air marshal]

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[AeronautIR]

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Currently flying as J-10CY in Ba Yi team. Dorsal spine adds stability, especially in high alpha maneuvers.

 

[maxpane]

instead of j10 d we should go for man unmanned team with EW plus offence team

 

[MastanKhan]

100%. I was trying to understand, how a fighter pilot would break

as I understand, fighter pilot is audacious but can be fragile.

quick reaction ability, strong mental ability to process data in quick span, faster processing of sensor data to make decisions, one cannot be taught these. It takes different breed to do all that


but, even the best pilot can break, if its not the case, then he is not pilot!

after all he is a human

Hi,

Combat Pilots don't break---. You would never hear one breaking---that is the last thing that you would see happen.

They are not ordinary people---. They are not made of ordinary material. God made a different mold when He made fighter pilots---.

( Wing Cmndr Abhinandan held his head hight right till he was released from custody ).

But when you are flying at a high speed in a closed environment and suddenly you are thrown into the freezing cold air---open skies and never knowing what is greeting you on the ground---.

 

[Deino]

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Not again this nonsense!

This image is from May 2022 and since then it has been long confirmed, there is no EW J-10D, but that's just a special modification called J-10CY.

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

Hi,

Combat Pilots don't break---. You would never hear one breaking---that is the last thing that you would see happen.

They are not ordinary people---. They are not made of ordinary material. God made a different mold when He made fighter pilots---.

( Wing Cmndr Abhinandan held his head hight right till he was released from custody ).

But when you are flying at a high speed in a closed environment and suddenly you are thrown into the freezing cold air---open skies and never knowing what is greeting you on the ground---.

but tea was fantastic sir

 

[AeronautIR]

Not again this nonsense!

This image is from May 2022 and since then it has been long confirmed, there is no EW J-10D, but that's just a special modification called J-10CY.

Which is flying in Ba Yi and made Singapore debut recently. Dorsal spine gives more stability and can be used for avionics if required.

 

[niubi]

It's for airshow fleet but also consider why they even bother with this modification if it serves no potential upgrade for military use J-10. J-10 development certainly is a third level horse now. Even a fourth level priority and given to 23 year old entry engineers to play with at CAC but this is a lot of pointless effort to go to for airshow fleet that could fly well without dorsal modification.

Logic suggests when they made the modification, they had other things in mind than simply for airshow which already flew J-10A for a decade and J-10C for years. It's just that PLAAF moved in other directions without any need for more advanced J-10 blocks.

 

[Corax]

Which is flying in Ba Yi and made Singapore debut recently. Dorsal spine gives more stability and can be used for avionics if required.

Can you please explain how a dorsal spine gives more stability? It's not an aerodynamic feature, it houses avionics and maybe fuel, it's a design feature that emerged on twin seat Vipers to make up for the loss of internal volume in the twin seater. The Chinese used it for an air display version of the J10 to house diesel fuel to generate smoke.

 

[AeronautIR]

Can you please explain how a dorsal spine gives more stability? It's not an aerodynamic feature, it houses avionics and maybe fuel, it's a design feature that emerged on twin seat Vipers to make up for the loss of internal volume in the twin seater. The Chinese used it for an air display version of the J10 to house diesel fuel to generate smoke.

I think there is a confusion about the video. Let me explain briefly. The dorsal spine can be used for avionics or extra fuel, but China has J-16D so they have no use for J-10'D'. PAF can exploit it if there is a need in future.
Now, about stability. The lateral and directional stability are affected by dorsal and ventral surfaces. The fuselage drop tank installation on FT-7 in PAF was prohibited due to uncontrollable roll rate. Simply put, ventral surfaces will make it unstable and dorsal will make it more stable. Also, at hi-alpha, dorsal spine can prevent rudder-lock and it will improve directional stability during maneuvers, avoiding yaw and sideslip.